Campbell will compete with a rookie next yr.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Buster

I say "pfffft" to pft.com rumors.


As long as the rookie is not from the #4 pick, I have no problem, but fix the line first, possibly RB too.

I agree...Picking at #4 you expect to get a player that's going to make an immediate impact and be a pro-bowl type player for a long time. It's not a position to be drafting a developmental player, a top QB is not the way to go unless we could seriously up-grade the O-line.

[Paintrain]

On CSN after the presser Kelly Johnson interviewed Shanahan and asked if JC can be the starting QB for the Redskins in '10, he said 'Absolutely, that's what competition is all about.' Pretty interesting indication that he will bring in a highly drafted QB and soon.

Another interesting, but unrelated note, he was also asked if Portis can be the starting RB in '10 and he said, 'We'll see.' Much less encouraging about 26 being back.

[Dirtbag59]

The good news about this for members of the cult is that Colt will finally get a chance to start next year. Now all that remains to be seen is if his rookie QB is going to be Clausen or Bradford at the top of the first or McCoy at the top of the second. Still this seems similar to the Plummer/Cutler situation Shannahan had a few years ago, though that ended with Cutler getting 5 stars his rookie year and taking over full time the next, and we all know how good Cutler was without Shannahan.

To me right now the best situation would be taking Bradford in the first and Charles Brown (T, USC) or Mike Iupati (G, Idaho) in the Second. Thats the type of best play available approach I want to see, best available offensive lineman, not best available guy we don't need.

[skinsfaninok]

Haven't seen the press conf. I get off work at 5 so what all did shanny say about jc and the possibility of drafting a qb?

[Gtothearry]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Haven't seen the press conf. I get off work at 5 so what all did shanny say about jc and the possibility of drafting a qb?

Shanny: Stated that he looks forward to working with Campbell and when asked if Campbell could be his starting QB he said "definitely". He mentioned competiton.......this could be interpreted as another qb being brought in, drafted or competition also amongst our qb's on the roster. So, I didn't really read anything into what was being said as......"we are going to draft a qb".

Allen: He was asked if we will draft for need. Allen responded with "we will do what is best for the redskins." Honestly he kinda left it open by saying "typically we would draft the best player on the board"......so he left the option open to draft for need as well.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

To me right now the best situation would be taking Bradford in the first and Charles Brown (T, USC) or Mike Iupati (G, Idaho) in the Second. Thats the type of best play available approach I want to see, best available offensive lineman, not best available guy we don't need.

Why would we waste a first rounder on bradford when we can get an equally good qb in McCoy in the second who probably has the same chance of succeeding?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Why would we waste a first rounder on bradford when we can get an equally good qb in McCoy in the second who probably has the same chance of succeeding?

You're assuming that Bradford and McCoy are equal in terms of talent. Bradford is considered far and wide the better prospect, but for the most part I'll wait for the draft to see which one gets picked and assume that they felt they had the best chance to succced with that guy.

Still at this point Bradford is considered to be better then McCoy in two key catagories, accuracy and mental makeup both of which Bradford earned top marks. McCoy on the other hand was graded a point below. In all fairness though McCoy scored higher then Bradford on intangibles and mental markup On top of that McCoy might not be there when we pick in the second round leading us to mortgage a future draft pick to get him. Reports are from Scouts Inc.

Trait Scale
1 = Exceptional 2 = Above average 3 = Average 4 = Below average 5 = Marginal

Anyway heres the comparison for Mental Markup and Accuracy

Bradford:
Mental Markup - 1 - Cerebral quarterback. Not an in-your-face type leader but definitely commands the huddle. Displays poise under pressure. Mentally/physically tough. Doesn't face a lot of pass-rush pressure but shows the toughness to stand in the pocket and take a hit in order to complete the pass. Still learning when to protect the ball and when to take chances. Gets too comfortable in the pocket at times and will need to reset his mental clock in the NFL. Made a few costly decisions/reads in 2008 loss to Texas.

Accuracy - 1 - Most accurate passer in college football today. Displays good mechanics. Excellent balance as a passer. Steps into most of his throws and drives off the back leg. Good follow through. Very good with the pump fake; frequently gets receivers open by pumping off the safety or linebacker.

McCoy:
Mental Markup - 2 - Ideal makeup from a mental toughness and competitiveness standpoint. Poised under pressure and continues to learn from mistakes. Delivers in the clutch. Might be the toughest QB in college football today. Also intelligent and hard working. He does have a tendency to force throws into traffic at times. He has improved in this area but he still makes a couple questionable decisions per game.

Accuracy -2 - Displays excellent timing and touch underneath. Gets the ball out quickly and knows how to hit his receivers in stride. Also shows good overall accuracy when throwing on the run, especially when rolling to his right. However, he plays in a very QB-friendly offense that does not feature many intermediate-to-vertical throws compared to an NFL offense. He has gotten into some bad habits that he will not overcome so easily in the NFL. He must adjust to making many more throws from inside the pocket and/or down the field. He also currently takes a lot of snaps from shotgun, so he must get accustomed to reading coverage while dropping in the NFL.

[saden1]

Skins would be complete foolish to let JC walk. He's cheap and he has done well under the Zorn circumstance and pathetic O-Line and that so called WR named Moss.

Hay Cooley, maybe your mother-f'ing-ass can take the leadership mantel? Instead of looking for others to lead you and Portis perhaps you SOBs try to become leaders? I f'ing hate these mofo backbenchers. CC can get it too.

I don't get why everyone is high on Jerry Gray. I mean, he's on the coaching staff and is responsible for the terrible secondary that is Rogers, Landry, and Hall. If we're cleaning house Jerry gots-to-go.

FU, Danial Snyder.

That felt good.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by saden1

Skins would be complete foolish to let JC walk. He's cheap and he has done well under the Zorn circumstance and pathetic O-Line and that so called WR named Moss.

Hay Cooley, maybe your mother-f'ing-ass can take the leadership mantel? Instead of looking for others to lead you and Portis perhaps you SOBs try to become leaders? I f'ing hate these mofo backbenchers. CC can get it too.
I don't get why everyone is high on Jerry Gray. I mean, he's on the coaching staff and is responsible for the terrible secondary that is Rogers, Landry, and Hall. If we're cleaning house Jerry gots-to-go.

FU, Danial Snyder.

That felt good.

I was thinking the same thing. As a pro-bowl, veteran TE, there's no reason he can't step in and lead if no one else on Offense is willing to do it. What's he waiting for? A written invitation?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

On CSN after the presser Kelly Johnson interviewed Shanahan and asked if JC can be the starting QB for the Redskins in '10, he said 'Absolutely, that's what competition is all about.' Pretty interesting indication that he will bring in a highly drafted QB and soon.

Another interesting, but unrelated note, he was also asked if Portis can be the starting RB in '10 and he said, 'We'll see.' Much less encouraging about 26 being back.

Interesting. I think in regards to Portis I have written him off due to age and practice habits. Concussion was just a side note for me cause players get them all the time. One concussion usually means the player could get another concussion more easily and easier and easier. I think with the NFL now forcing teams to not put the player back in the game two or three possessions later and forcing players to see doctors who will decide if they play or not, I can see the Skins deciding to pass on Portis or let him go cause he would be taking up a roster spot with the understanding he could get another concussion very easily at anytime at any point in a game. Kinda like how we sat on Samuels and R.Thomas.

Plus throw in the uncapped year and ditching his contract should mean more to the team in the long run vs. keeping an aged concussion prone RB who is on the decline. I can see them shedding the contract while they can.

[SolidSnake84]

Well Golly,

I guess at least its good that the QB here will finally have to earn their job....we haven't did that in what, 10 years??

[Big C]

it definitely seemed like he wants campbell back, but the competition quote he dropped as well seems as if he will bring in someone else to challenge him. we are assuming its through the draft, but maybe he wants to bring in chad pennington or someone to push campbell. either way i really just hope we dont grab a qb at 4.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Big C

it definitely seemed like he wants campbell back, but the competition quote he dropped as well seems as if he will bring in someone else to challenge him. we are assuming its through the draft, but maybe he wants to bring in chad pennington or someone to push campbell. either way i really just hope we dont grab a qb at 4.

Pennington isn't mobile enough to work in Shannahans system. Maybe if he was a few years younger he wouldn't mind giving it a shot but I think right now Campbell is the better QB.

[Lotus]

^Matt Leinart is mobile enough, no?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Lotus

^Matt Leinart is mobile enough, no?

Lol, when he's sober. Anyway I think your guess is as good as mine. Here's his scouting report from when he was a rookie.

"Not a threat to run but he shows enough quickness and fluidity to buy extra time from within the pocket. He sets up quicker than his speed would indicate."

"Not a threat to take off and run."

The thing I think Shannahans looking for when he talks about mobility is weather he effectively run a bootleg. I mean remember even Cutler got 200 yards rushing during his last two years with Shannahan. For what it's worth he had 173 yards this year.

And here's Leinarts current scouting report:

2009 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 67 | Key


Comment: Leinart has the physical tools to succeed, but the jury is still out on him until he proves he can read coverage consistently and avoid costly mistakes. He has good height and arm strength, as well as enough mobility within the pocket to be successful in the Arizona system. When he has time to set his feet and throw the ball from the pocket, he has a good delivery and enough short-to-intermediate accuracy to challenge most areas of the field.

I feel like I'm getting mixed messages on Leinart's mobility.