Defending the Danny?

Slingin Sammy 33 · 01-13-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

[/B]....To me it seems more that Vinny thought "Oh we need a WR lets go get Lloyd. Oh we need a Safety lets get Archie" and DS said do we really need them and Vinny said yes we have holes. So DS brought them in.....

Blame for Lloyd, Arch and ARE falls on Gibbs. He approved the moves. However even more blame for those is on Al Saunders (Lloyd & ARE) and G. Williams (Arch). All DS & VC did is go get the players the Team President & HC told them to get.

There are several reasons for why things failed in the past here. Ultimately Snyder takes the blame because he's the primary owner, but prior to Gibbs departure, very few of these mistakes were actually of DS or VC's doing. They take blame because they pulled the trigger but they had bad "little birds in their ear" (cough, cough Pepper Rodgers comes to mind).

Going forward, based on the poll and responses, for the most part people are about 90+% on board with Shanahan and Allen. If things wind up going South, I think anyone who supported these moves refrain from DS bashing (this isn't directed at you, just a general statement).

WaldSkins · 01-13-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Problem is that his best efforts more often than not hurt the organization...no one is saying he doesn't want to win.. but newsflash, how many owners are there that don't want to win so the whole "he really wants to win" argument is bogus.

Take Lloyd + Archuleta deals for example...how did those help the Redskins in any way? answer, they did not and hurt the organization deeply (still paying salary), no defense of Snyder will be tolerated by me...

Why is Joe Gibbs given a free pass?? Wasn't he the team president when we brought in these free agents?? I just don't see how this is Snyder's fault for giving Gibbs the players he wanted.

Defensewins · 01-13-2010, 08:00 PM

Here we go again...the blame game. Who cares at this point.

YES, Dan wants to win and he wants to field a good team. That has never been in doubt. So I am not sure why Skeletor is rambling on about defending Dan Snyder.
The football world and the media would love Dan if he just let the PROFESSIONALS run the team and Dan stop his almost impulsive desire to be involved in acquiring certain players...like the Lance Briggs incident. That was ugly. If the sources and stories are to be believed, the Redskins had formalized an offer made, by all accounts, by Dan Snyder in a bar without having discussed the move with Joe Gibbs or Gregg Williams.
This type behavior and his desire to make media splashes has to stop. It is embarrassing.
My point is Dan had 10 years of running the Redskins 'his way'. Whatever 'his way' is, it failed. Some people are good at sports, others good at business, others are artists...whatever. Dan is not a Football man. It takes a rare skill to be a top GM just like it takes a diffrent rare skill to become a billionaire. Dan please stick to what you are good at. Making money.

Daseal · 01-13-2010, 08:00 PM

People in this town LOVE to blame Danny for everything. Granted, there's not much transparency within the organization, but my personal feeling on the matter is he isn't nearly as involved as he seems. He wants to know what's happening with HIS team, he wants to interview a coach before he pays him millions upon millions of dollars, I have no issues with him having a role in an organization he owns.

I think a lot of the blame that should fall on coaches and vinny has been diverted, often by the media, because he's not a very likable guy.

I could be completely wrong on this due to lack of transparency, but my feeling is the most he does is sign the checks.

SmootSmack · 01-13-2010, 09:09 PM

Ultimately it stops at the top and fair or not, Snyder will get criticized until and perhaps even when he brings a Super Bowl trophy back to DC. And that's fine, there are plenty of reasons to defend Snyder and there equally as many (if not more) reasons to critique him and question him. Like I've said before though, when people get into "Danny and his butt buddy Vinny" or "Snyder is friends with Jerry Jones!!!" etc. then it's like "Ok, well you may have valid concerns about Snyder but it's going to be tough to take your concerns seriously"

Snyder is involved, but he's not-to the best of my knowledge-intrusive. He's not much more involved than a lot of other owners in the league. And he's a better owner than he was 10 years ago largely because he's surrounded himself with better people

Giantone · 01-14-2010, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

very few of these mistakes were actually of DS or VC's doing. They take blame because they pulled the trigger but they had bad "little birds in their ear" (cough, cough Pepper Rodgers comes to mind).

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Giantone · 01-14-2010, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Snyder is involved, but he's not-to the best of my knowledge-intrusive. He's not much more involved than a lot of other owners in the league. And he's a better owner than he was 10 years ago largely because he's surrounded himself with better people

"intrusive"...........lol,I like that ,so you don't call having players go behind the coachs back to the owner and him listening to them to subvert their authority..."intrusive"?

dmek25 · 01-14-2010, 07:27 AM

is it bad to have an open door policy? and the subvert their authority, any examples?

Slingin Sammy 33 · 01-14-2010, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

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FRPLG · 01-14-2010, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Problem is that his best efforts more often than not hurt the organization...no one is saying he doesn't want to win.. but newsflash, how many owners are there that don't want to win so the whole "he really wants to win" argument is bogus.

Take Lloyd + Archuleta deals for example...how did those help the Redskins in any way? answer, they did not and hurt the organization deeply (still paying salary), no defense of Snyder will be tolerated by me...

More than you'd like to think don't care all that much. They only want to win from a business perspective.

FRPLG · 01-14-2010, 10:11 AM

Snyder should definitely shoulder the blame for our struggles. He has made mistakes, lots of them.

But there seems to be this strange hatred of the man. I can't hate the guy for his football mistakes. If I thought he was cheap or didn't bust his ass to try and win then I could hate the guy. Vinny was an ass. He didn't care as much about winning as he did about looking good and staying in power->Hate. DS...not at all. People can say all they want about his football acumen and they'd be right to criticize vigorously but I just don't see all the hate.

Paintrain · 01-14-2010, 10:22 AM

I think if Snyder was about 6'2 and was 55 when he bought the team rather than 5'5 and 35 there would be a very different perception of him. From the jump the media portrayed him, fairly in many cases, of being a snot nosed rich 'kid' who acted like a tyrant and threw his financial weight around. The whole 'Lil Danny moniker just stuck with him and makes him an easy target. There's also a HUGE jealousy factor in the media and from the fans because he's acquired so much at such a young age. To ignore or dispel that is completely ridiculous.

Of course the lack of success has been obvious and hasn't made it easy to defend him nor have some of the decisions he's played a role in but so many people who have worked with or for him (Gibbs, Schottenheimer, Buges just to name a couple) that are highly respected do nothing but shower the man with praise.

Bottom line, he's far from the best owner in the NFL but he's committed to exhausting all resources to win, has shown (at least to this point) a willingness to learn from his mistakes and try another path of running the team and is determined to make the Redskins the best franchise in the league.

Coff · 01-14-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Seriously. This idiot was hammered and high at the same time. That was a bumbling rant.

Funny to listen to because it was a bumbling rant. And did I hear reference to Dana Stubblefield? Wasn't he a John Kent Cooke guy?

mdt2five · 01-14-2010, 11:02 AM

I think I just heard (from the breakroom to my cube) that the Redskins have donated $500K to the Haiti rescue effort. Good move on DS part if so. Would make me feel a little better about the outrageous amounts charged for tickets/concessions,etc..

MTK · 01-14-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Coff

Funny to listen to because it was a bumbling rant. And did I hear reference to Dana Stubblefield? Wasn't he a John Kent Cooke guy?

ugh I love it when people can't get things like that straight and blame Danny for Stubby

01-13-2010, 08:00 PM	#18
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,749	Re: Defending the Danny? Here we go again...the blame game. Who cares at this point. YES, Dan wants to win and he wants to field a good team. That has never been in doubt. So I am not sure why Skeletor is rambling on about defending Dan Snyder. The football world and the media would love Dan if he just let the PROFESSIONALS run the team and Dan stop his almost impulsive desire to be involved in acquiring certain players...like the Lance Briggs incident. That was ugly. If the sources and stories are to be believed, the Redskins had formalized an offer made, by all accounts, by Dan Snyder in a bar without having discussed the move with Joe Gibbs or Gregg Williams. This type behavior and his desire to make media splashes has to stop. It is embarrassing. My point is Dan had 10 years of running the Redskins 'his way'. Whatever 'his way' is, it failed. Some people are good at sports, others good at business, others are artists...whatever. Dan is not a Football man. It takes a rare skill to be a top GM just like it takes a diffrent rare skill to become a billionaire. Dan please stick to what you are good at. Making money.

01-13-2010, 08:00 PM	#19
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Defending the Danny? People in this town LOVE to blame Danny for everything. Granted, there's not much transparency within the organization, but my personal feeling on the matter is he isn't nearly as involved as he seems. He wants to know what's happening with HIS team, he wants to interview a coach before he pays him millions upon millions of dollars, I have no issues with him having a role in an organization he owns. I think a lot of the blame that should fall on coaches and vinny has been diverted, often by the media, because he's not a very likable guy. I could be completely wrong on this due to lack of transparency, but my feeling is the most he does is sign the checks. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

01-13-2010, 09:09 PM	#20
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Defending the Danny? Ultimately it stops at the top and fair or not, Snyder will get criticized until and perhaps even when he brings a Super Bowl trophy back to DC. And that's fine, there are plenty of reasons to defend Snyder and there equally as many (if not more) reasons to critique him and question him. Like I've said before though, when people get into "Danny and his butt buddy Vinny" or "Snyder is friends with Jerry Jones!!!" etc. then it's like "Ok, well you may have valid concerns about Snyder but it's going to be tough to take your concerns seriously" Snyder is involved, but he's not-to the best of my knowledge-intrusive. He's not much more involved than a lot of other owners in the league. And he's a better owner than he was 10 years ago largely because he's surrounded himself with better people __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

01-14-2010, 07:27 AM	#23
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Defending the Danny? is it bad to have an open door policy? and the subvert their authority, any examples? __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

01-14-2010, 10:11 AM	#26
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Defending the Danny? Snyder should definitely shoulder the blame for our struggles. He has made mistakes, lots of them. But there seems to be this strange hatred of the man. I can't hate the guy for his football mistakes. If I thought he was cheap or didn't bust his ass to try and win then I could hate the guy. Vinny was an ass. He didn't care as much about winning as he did about looking good and staying in power->Hate. DS...not at all. People can say all they want about his football acumen and they'd be right to criticize vigorously but I just don't see all the hate.

01-14-2010, 10:22 AM	#27
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: Defending the Danny? I think if Snyder was about 6'2 and was 55 when he bought the team rather than 5'5 and 35 there would be a very different perception of him. From the jump the media portrayed him, fairly in many cases, of being a snot nosed rich 'kid' who acted like a tyrant and threw his financial weight around. The whole 'Lil Danny moniker just stuck with him and makes him an easy target. There's also a HUGE jealousy factor in the media and from the fans because he's acquired so much at such a young age. To ignore or dispel that is completely ridiculous. Of course the lack of success has been obvious and hasn't made it easy to defend him nor have some of the decisions he's played a role in but so many people who have worked with or for him (Gibbs, Schottenheimer, Buges just to name a couple) that are highly respected do nothing but shower the man with praise. Bottom line, he's far from the best owner in the NFL but he's committed to exhausting all resources to win, has shown (at least to this point) a willingness to learn from his mistakes and try another path of running the team and is determined to make the Redskins the best franchise in the league. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

01-14-2010, 11:02 AM	#29
mdt2five Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 3	Re: Defending the Danny? I think I just heard (from the breakroom to my cube) that the Redskins have donated $500K to the Haiti rescue effort. Good move on DS part if so. Would make me feel a little better about the outrageous amounts charged for tickets/concessions,etc..

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