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[illdefined]

hell yeah Ramsey has a gun and i want to see it with this offense, but he's got cement shoes under pressure (which we cant stop) and is slow to read defenses and throws picks. cant deny it. while i think at this point in the season its worth a try, and have him progress, Gibbs is playing Brunell cuz he thinks he gives us the best chance to win NOW and nothing else.

[Big C]

but i mean teams can load the box cuz they dont respect the deep ball, which hurts our running game a lot..

[illdefined]

and that's exactly how they beat Ramsey last year. the most blitzed rookie ever. and this year's "max protection" hasn't been where it needs to be all season, THAT'S why Brunell is in there.

[JWsleep]

It's time for Ramsey.

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

It's time for Ramsey.

It's been time........

[bedlamVR]

Portis especially in this game was kind of hamstrung by the fact we had a 17-0 deficit in the first half. Portis did have 70 yeards rushing but because we were so far behind so quickly our running game never got started and Betts never got a carry.

[joehardee]

I agree Ramsey is not the way to go neither is Hasselback . First off the offensive line sucks, that is the problem...............

[That Guy]

everyone seems to be set on the fact that ramsey will throw a lot of picks, BUT, brunell has more TOs than TDs, and has been giving up over 1.5 TOs a game compared to 1 TD/game... ramsey did much better in what everyone says was a crappier offense, so i reall don't see this as an even remotely valid arguement...

[offiss]

Originally Posted by That Guy

everyone seems to be set on the fact that ramsey will throw a lot of picks, BUT, brunell has more TOs than TDs, and has been giving up over 1.5 TOs a game compared to 1 TD/game... ramsey did much better in what everyone says was a crappier offense, so i reall don't see this as an even remotely valid arguement...

I just don't understand the bias against Ramsey, he went from a future pro bowler last year, to a arena football reject in 1 offseason, absolutly ridiculous.


I saw Brunell is saying the offense made strides yesterday, the only stride the offense made was that Brunell is now 1 step closer to the bench!

[That Guy]

believe or not we do have a running game guys and its above average even though he's not putting up 100 rushing yards every single game...

can we please fact check before saying ridiculous things?

and portis has had a far bigger impact than gardner... gardner is a good WR, but part of one of the worst passing attacks in the entire league right now, and a passing attack that no one respects... no way that deserves an MVP... portis has been throwing blocks, catching passes and running through stacked boxes with and without help.. and i don't know wtf you're talking about as far as production... gardner has 389 yards and one incomplete pass... portis has 803 yards...

[offiss]

Originally Posted by That Guy

believe or not we do have a running game guys and its above average even though he's not putting up 100 rushing yards every single game...

can we please fact check before saying ridiculous things?

and portis has had a far bigger impact than gardner... gardner is a good WR, but part of one of the worst passing attacks in the entire league right now, and a passing attack that no one respects... no way that deserves an MVP... portis has been throwing blocks, catching passes and running through stacked boxes with and without help.. and i don't know wtf you're talking about as far as production... gardner has 389 yards and one incomplete pass... portis has 803 yards...

Who touches the ball more? Who has to rely on an incompetent QB to get him the ball, I want to know what Portis has done thus far that any other RB couldn't have done? Gardner comparativly as a WR has done far more than Portis to impact games, unless you want to count Portis's fumbles, 5td's for Gardner 2 for Portis, Gardner has made all the big play's for us this year which isn't saying much but it's been better than Portis, I don't want to hear that Potis is a warrior because he keep's running into a stacked line, he isn't getting through them, any back can do that, he's had 2 100yd games out of 7, he has 2 rushing TD's worst in the NFL amoung full time starters, bottom line who has been the go to guy when the game is on the line? Gardner, he almost single handily beat dallas, and he almost did it again yesterday, you can talk about talent all you want, Gardner is the one producing, and he is up against just as much of a stacked deck as Portis, Portis has no where to run, Gardner has no one to throw him the ball, and yet he's managed to outplay Portis, what happened to all the Barry Sander's comparison's I was hearing a few week's ago, when did Sander's ever need blocking, why can't Portis make something out of nothing? Gardner has made catches when they weren't there, catches that most reciever's only dream of catching, If Portis is everything everyone say's he is, he should be doing far better than he's doing now, I like Portis but right now regardless of the reason he has not impacted games like Gardner has, and I was Gardner's biggest detracter.

I guess Gardner doesn't block, and if Portis is blocking so well how come so many here keep saying Brunell protection is below average?

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by offiss

Who touches the ball more? Who has to rely on an incompetent QB to get him the ball, I want to know what Portis has done thus far that any other RB couldn't have done? Gardner comparativly as a WR has done far more than Portis to impact games, unless you want to count Portis's fumbles, 5td's for Gardner 2 for Portis, Gardner has made all the big play's for us this year which isn't saying much but it's been better than Portis, I don't want to hear that Potis is a warrior because he keep's running into a stacked line, he isn't getting through them, any back can do that, he's had 2 100yd games out of 7, he has 2 rushing TD's worst in the NFL amoung full time starters, bottom line who has been the go to guy when the game is on the line? Gardner, he almost single handily beat dallas, and he almost did it again yesterday, you can talk about talent all you want, Gardner is the one producing, and he is up against just as much of a stacked deck as Portis, Portis has no where to run, Gardner has no one to throw him the ball, and yet he's managed to outplay Portis, what happened to all the Barry Sander's comparison's I was hearing a few week's ago, when did Sander's ever need blocking, why can't Portis make something out of nothing? Gardner has made catches when they weren't there, catches that most reciever's only dream of catching, If Portis is everything everyone say's he is, he should be doing far better than he's doing now, I like Portis but right now regardless of the reason he has not impacted games like Gardner has, and I was Gardner's biggest detracter.

I guess Gardner doesn't block, and if Portis is blocking so well how come so many here keep saying Brunell protection is below average?

are you kidding?? PORTIS touches the ball way more! how many catches does Gardner get a game? how many carries does Portis get?? ANYTHING Gardner gets is because Portis (or the defense) got him close enough to the end zone. Gardner is sooo good he makes Brunell's bad passes good?? if so, then THAT MAKES BRUNELL GOOD TOO. Portis has to suffer an incompetent QB AND OLINE. he's made tons of yards that aren't there, by HIMSELF .sorry offiss, Gardner cannot throw the ball to himself, not even Moss can do that.

and now you're judging Portis to BARRY SANDERS?? thats what he has to be to be better than Gardner??