Schefter: "Skins NOT shopping Big Al"

[BigHairedAristocrat]

As I said here, Haynesworth is not being shopped because he's a problem child. He's being shopped because a package of starting offensive player(s) and/or draft pick(s) will do more to help this team than Haynesworth will. We were a 4-12 team with Haynesworth. We won't be much better in 2010 if we don't dramatically upgrade our offensive line and give McNabb a playmaker or two on offense.

We've got a defense overflowing with talented players (compared to the offense, at least) and we're switching to the 3-4, anyway. the smartest thing to do is "redistribute our wealth" talent-wise to help our offense. Moving Haynesworth is about doing what's best for the Redskins and has NOTHING to do with Haynesworth's character and behavior.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

As I said here, Haynesworth is not being shopped because he's a problem child. He's being shopped because a package of starting offensive player(s) and/or draft pick(s) will do more to help this team than Haynesworth will.

Right but the crux of your argument there was that even with Haynesworth, we ended up at 4-12, so therefore Haynesworth didn't have the impact we imagined and therefore we would benefit by trade.

That makes a few assumptions I don't really agree with:

- That Haynesworth will not be better this year.

- That Haslett will not use Haynesworth more effectively than Blache did. Blache horrendously misused him.

- That we can count on Kemeotu or whatever his name is to plug the gap at NT. He's returning from serious injury and is not likely to be ready at season's start.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Right but the crux of your argument there was that even with Haynesworth, we ended up at 4-12, so therefore Haynesworth didn't have the impact we imagined and therefore we would benefit by trade.

That makes a few assumptions I don't really agree with:

- That Haynesworth will not be better this year.

- That Haslett will not use Haynesworth more effectively than Blache did. Blache horrendously misused him.

- That we can count on Kemeotu or whatever his name is to plug the gap at NT. He's returning from serious injury and is not likely to be ready at season's start.

Well one of my other assumptions is that not a single of our 11 starters from 2009 has ever played on a team that uses a 3-4 base defense. Last year we complained about Orakpo and Landry playing out of position. Well in 2010, everyone is going to be playing out of position. It will take time for everyone to adjust. There's going to be a huge learning curve for our defense in 2010 and I don't expect the defense to be very good at all - with or without Haynesworth.

Originally Posted by freddyg12

good post, though I don't know that I agree w/your "nothing" statement about Haynesworths' behavior. I think his attitude about the 3-4 has to be a factor. That also speaks to your larger point; can AH make much of a difference in the 3-4 and how much can the team improve by trading him?

His behavior is certainly an issue, but if it werent for all the other considerations, it wouldn't be enough to even think about trading him. If we cut/traded any of our players for griping a little bit about how they were being used or not showing up for voluntary workouts, i'd be very disappointed in our management. In the end, i think moving Haynesworth is the best for Haynesworth and, more importantly, the Redskins.

But it all depends on compensation. Just like I dont think we should move Campbell if we only got a 5th round pick, I dont think we should move Haynesworth for anything less than a low first round pick or the equivalent value in a package of picks and players.

BEGIN DREAM. Ideally, i'd love to see us trade Haynesworth and Carter to the Saints and pick up Burhrod and a 2nd round pick.

Pick up Flozell Adams, trade Landry and Kelly to the Broncos for Marshall, Cooley or Davis for a 3rd rounder, trade down in the first with SF, pick up Trent and Dan Williams with our first two picks and make smart moves in the rest of the draft and i'd say we had a pretty solid team. END DREAM.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Well one of my other assumptions is that not a single of our 11 starters from 2009 has ever played on a team that uses a 3-4 base defense. Last year we complained about Orakpo and Landry playing out of position. Well in 2010, everyone is going to be playing out of position. It will take time for everyone to adjust. There's going to be a huge learning curve for our defense in 2010 and I don't expect the defense to be very good at all - with or without Haynesworth.

I think you're making too big of a deal about a transition to the 3-4. It might only be half our defense in 2010, we still might spend a lot of plays in the 4-3. Secondly, there's not much in the way of schematic difference for the defensive line or the corners. For the defensive line, you simply adjust from a gap control style or to an attacking style. There's not a lot of read and recognition that goes on for the defensive line. For the corners, it comes down to playing man vs zones, again not a lot of read and recognition. It's the safeties and the LBs that do the reading and reacting, they'd be the ones affected by the 3-4 transition.

I'd argue that given the LBs will be getting acquainted with new responsibilities, there would be a greater need for a dominant force along the defensive line to occupy blockers and allow the LBs to make plays.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

As I said here, Haynesworth is not being shopped because he's a problem child. He's being shopped because a package of starting offensive player(s) and/or draft pick(s) will do more to help this team than Haynesworth will. We were a 4-12 team with Haynesworth. We won't be much better in 2010 if we don't dramatically upgrade our offensive line and give McNabb a playmaker or two on offense.

We've got a defense overflowing with talented players (compared to the offense, at least) and we're switching to the 3-4, anyway. the smartest thing to do is "redistribute our wealth" talent-wise to help our offense. Moving Haynesworth is about doing what's best for the Redskins and has NOTHING to do with Haynesworth's character and behavior.

good post, though I don't know that I agree w/your "nothing" statement about Haynesworths' behavior. I think his attitude about the 3-4 has to be a factor. That also speaks to your larger point; can AH make much of a difference in the 3-4 and how much can the team improve by trading him?

[Trample the Elderly]

I don't watch Stiffler or follow twater. I do listen to the radio. WRVA 1140 said on the morning program that Fat Al was being shopped because Shanny didn't like him not showing up for voluntary workouts, and AL didn't want to be a NT. WRVA is the big time talk radio for the central VA area. If they said it, then it's true in my book.

The work outs are one thing, Shanny is another. Not being a NT I can understand. He'd be a beast DE with Orakpo or Jarmon teeing off beside him. But a NT is a waste of money and time for him. He's more than a space eater; that is when he's not on his back.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

As I said here, Haynesworth is not being shopped because he's a problem child. He's being shopped because a package of starting offensive player(s) and/or draft pick(s) will do more to help this team than Haynesworth will. We were a 4-12 team with Haynesworth. We won't be much better in 2010 if we don't dramatically upgrade our offensive line and give McNabb a playmaker or two on offense.

We've got a defense overflowing with talented players (compared to the offense, at least) and we're switching to the 3-4, anyway. the smartest thing to do is "redistribute our wealth" talent-wise to help our offense. Moving Haynesworth is about doing what's best for the Redskins and has NOTHING to do with Haynesworth's character and behavior.

I think you're on the right track with your thinking in the sense that Shanahan and Allen are practical executives who are trying to build a football team. With that in mind, I believe that they would make any trade that they think would give this team a better chance to win now and in the future.

I don't buy the theory that they are playing mind games with Big Al. First of all, what possible leverage could they have on someone they have already paid $32,000,000 FREAKIN' DOLLARS!!!? Secondly, Shanahan is no doubt going to remind Big Al that he is being paid a HUGE amount of money to do what the coaches want him to do to help this team win and not to do what he wants to do.

Now, if Big Al were to embarrass himself by sulking and playing poorly or by becoming insubordinate and getting suspended because he didn't get his way, that would be unfortunate. But I don't think he'll do that. He just needs for some Head Coach to stand up to him and tell him to grow up and do what he's told, for the good of the team. Shanahan might just be that Head Coach.

By the way, if Big Al thinks he can still run to Dan Snyder to tell on the coach, I think he'll be disappointed to find that Snyder is unavailable to hear his complaints.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I think you're on the right track with your thinking in the sense that Shanahan and Allen are practical executives who are trying to build a football team. With that in mind, I believe that they would make any trade that they think would give this team a better chance to win now and in the future.

I don't buy the theory that they are playing mind games with Big Al. First of all, what possible leverage could they have on someone they have already paid $32,000,000 FREAKIN' DOLLARS!!!? Secondly, Shanahan is no doubt going to remind Big Al that he is being paid a HUGE amount of money to do what the coaches want him to do to help this team win and not to do what he wants to do.

Now, if Big Al were to embarrass himself by sulking and playing poorly or by becoming insubordinate and getting suspended because he didn't get his way, that would be unfortunate. But I don't think he'll do that. He just needs for some Head Coach to stand up to him and tell him to grow up and do what he's told, for the good of the team. Shanahan might just be that Head Coach.

By the way, if Big Al thinks he can still run to Dan Snyder to tell on the coach, I think he'll be disappointed to find that Snyder is unavailable to hear his complaints.

I dont view it as mindgames. Haynesworth has already used the skins to get a ridiculous amount of money. By making it clear to him that he won't be happy with how he's used here, we're encouraging Haynesworth to help faciliate a trade to a team he'd otherwise be less inclined to play for... like Detroit.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I dont view it as mindgames. Haynesworth has already used the skins to get a ridiculous amount of money. By making it clear to him that he won't be happy with how he's used here, we're encouraging Haynesworth to help faciliate a trade to a team he'd otherwise be less inclined to play for... like Detroit.

I think that's manipulative and I doubt that's the plan.

I think that they would prefer to not trade him now that they've paid the big bonus. He can be a great player for the Skins. So, I don't think they want him to be unhappy with the prospect of how he might be used, I just think that they'll let him know that he'll be used in the way that the coaches see fit, for the good of the team, whether or not he likes it. How he responds to that will speak to the kind of player and man he is. How he feels about it is a personal problem.

But I could be wrong.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This whole thing is overblown. Let's not make Albert out to be some huge problem child. He's not working out in the program which Shanahan doesn't prefer, but he's also said publicly that he intends to come in much better shape this year to answer his critics and get back to his pro bowl form.

If Schefter says he's not being shopped, it's true. Nobody is a better source for 'Skins news right now, he's got direct access to Shanahan, and Shanahan is not going to screw Schefter by giving him bad information.

I totally agree with you in regards to this issue being blown way out of proportion. They are in "voluntary" work outs. No matter who's the HC it's still "voluntary." AH promised to come back in shape and ready to play. Shanahan may not agree with it but he has no say in it. As long as AH come back for camp late april and is still in shape then no foul. If he comes back out of shape then I can see Shanahan being upset.

But the team is not at odds with trading him if they have to to get what they need. He was shopped to the Eagles for a much needed QB so lets not totally buy into the fact that he "won't" be traded at all. If the right deal came a long I wouldn't doubt team Shanahan wouldn't trade him. But right now they are not actively shopping him. Other teams know now though that we will gladely trade him for a good deal though, so don't be supprised if other teams who need a DE call with an offer.

[CultBrennan59]

We won't know for sure if albert will be gone, until draft day.

[Monkeydad]

Why do we have this thread? It's already being discussed in the actual AH trade thread.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Buster

Why do we have this thread? It's already being discussed in the actual AH trade thread.

Because that thread has gotten too big for people to read through the whole thing and join the conversation.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Because that thread has gotten too big for people to read through the whole thing and join the conversation.

The public school system has failed.


How hard is it to click on the "last page" button and join in?




I vote for a Merge!

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I agree with that. I feel like I'm repeating myself discussing the same thing in two (actually three, if you count the post-mcnabb trade thread) and I'm sure other people feel the same way. It would be nice if a Mod merged.

Seconded.

Motion approved, Chairman, please acknowledge the vote.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Buster

Why do we have this thread? It's already being discussed in the actual AH trade thread.

I agree with that. I feel like I'm repeating myself discussing the same thing in two (actually three, if you count the post-mcnabb trade thread) and I'm sure other people feel the same way. It would be nice if a Mod merged.