Arizona's New Immigration Law

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

It means they are exactling revenge fot the killing of tehe big time good ole boy rancher. My question is was the murder drug related? Seems like if you have a ranch on the Mexico-U.S. border you could easily make a few million a week as a drug pass through. Money talks. It attacks constitional rights of everyone. It says you can be pulled for no reason at all, "if your suspected of being illegal". What if I'm coming home at night from having a couple beers and get pulled for this garbage. You can't tell if someone is hispanic if it's night, and you are a cop pulling over cars. Same for roadblocks. They could set up road blocks that wouldn't be profiling, but who needs to give the police more powers to set up roadblocks.

Wrong you might want to read the law first. Seems like the left is more concerned of the illegals then the legal citzens that have to put up with this every day. 1 out of 4 people in jail are illegals.

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by firstdown

i did not use the term "reasonaby suspect" in my response. Whe are you getting that from the liberal media.

ha, the "liberal media," that's the biggest myth there is....
but that's another thread.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

i did not use the term "reasonaby suspect" in my response. Whe are you getting that from the liberal media.

What does liberal media have to do with my reply? The liberal media didn't write the law. LOL You're a piece a work sometimes

Here's what the provision in the law actually reads:
"For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency…where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person…"

[mredskins]

Sounds like a Salem Witch Hunt to me.

How do European countries "defend" their boarders or deal with illegals? I am just wondering since it would seem that would have to be an issue every there considering the number countries that boarder each other.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Read the law before your speak about what it does and does not do because this statement is false.

Well let's just say cops will pull you over for anything if they really want to. I've been pulled over because my bumper was on top of the white line at an intersection, the cop said it's technically too far into the intersection, but they only do it at night to check for drunk drivers. They can always claim that you took a turn too fast or whatever.

However, I really don't have an issue if there's a citizenship check after a crime has been committed. Does AZ hand out licenses to illegals.. or what other type of ID?

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

while i generally agree and i dont like this law or any that unnecessarily expands police powers, i'm not sure that the "hey this infringes on my right to drive drunk" defense is the best argument to make.

I am jsut trying to convey, this law is not good for anyone who does not like being pulled by police.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Wrong you might want to read the law first. Seems like the left is more concerned of the illegals then the legal citzens that have to put up with this every day. 1 out of 4 people in jail are illegals.

Ever heard of cocaine?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

I am jsut trying to convey, this law is not good for anyone who does not like being pulled by police.

Go read the law so you no what your talking about. They can only question someone if they are pulled over for something else like speeding first.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Sounds like a Salem Witch Hunt to me.

How do European countries "defend" their boarders or deal with illegals? I am just wondering since it would seem that would have to be an issue every there considering the number countries that boarder each other.

to my limited understanding alot of countries in the EU only accept "professional" immigrants. such as computer techs from india vs black guy from africa.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Well let's just say cops will pull you over for anything if they really want to. I've been pulled over because my bumper was on top of the white line at an intersection, the cop said it's technically too far into the intersection, but they only do it at night to check for drunk drivers. They can always claim that you took a turn too fast or whatever.

However, I really don't have an issue if there's a citizenship check after a crime has been committed. Does AZ hand out licenses to illegals.. or what other type of ID?

Not sure some states do and I never figured out why a state would give an illegal an ID.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

I would have thought someone would have started a thread about this but I guess I will. What's the point of this law? I don't get it.

The primary point to this statute is to provide for the state to take action against any locality that refuses to enforce laws already in place. This law brings a uniform state-wide policy to bear to combat the problems that AZ has been facing for years while politicians on both sides of the aisle in DC bury their heads, while trying to appeal/not offend to the Hispanic voting bloc.

In a nutshell it makes the "sanctuary cities" liable for legal action by the state for not enforcing Federal and State of Arizona law. This I'm sure is a bigger problem in AZ than it is in VA. But I live in the sanctuary city of Virginia Beach. The previous Mayor and police chief had a policy to not report illegals to ICE, in addition to the burden illegal immigrants put on the City services (police, medical, social services) two teenage girls are dead, directly because of this policy (killed by a drunk driving illegal who had been released twice before for alcohol issues).

Here's the a link to the actual text of the statutes:

Text of Arizona's Anti-Illegal Immigration Law - Part 1 | KEYTLaw

These statutes seek enforcement not only directly against illegal immigrants but also against companies that employ them.

President Obama is making a purely political play (and he damn well knows it) in misrepresenting what these statutes contain. This isn't about racism, it's about AZ protecting the people of the state from the negative consequences of illegal immigrants. Unfortunately, the murder of the rancher was the straw that broke the camels' back.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

to my limited understanding alot of countries in the EU only accept "professional" immigrants. such as computer techs from india vs black guy from africa.

I think you're right. And they've been experiencing a huge influx of Eastern Europeans, with skills, which landed Gordon Brown in hot water yesterday for a comment he made about the problem.

Anyway, some believe the immigrants have helped improve the UK's economy over the past three years, while others are complaining that the unemployment rate among Brits is going through the roof.

[over the mountain]

I worked for the montgomery county circuit court for a bit, dealt with a lot of major crimes, murders, MS-13, rapes, etc.

the percent of child sexual offenders who were illegal aliens was astonishing. im talking 3 out of 4 offenders. sometimes on their own daughter (that guy decided not to show up day 2 of trial, he probably lives in your neighborhood now since ICE wasnt involved), sometimes an illegal would get all drunk and climb into a 10 year old girls bedroom hovering over her right before the dad came in.

im not making a generalization, im basing this strictly what i experienced. it was astonishing, the percent of illegals that have sexual predator addictions. different culture i assume plays into it.

of course, md and va have a higher number of illegals than say kansas (i assume).

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Go read the law so you no what your talking about. They can only question someone if they are pulled over for something else like speeding first.

It's the demographic bomb. I hate to say that word demographics out loud. It makes my fellow countrymen uneasy.

[dblanch66]

Well I live here in Phoenix and the illegal immigrant issue is a big problem. They are receiving benefits, food stamps and getting health coverage. I feel torn, as do many here in AZ, about this law. On one hand, I am all for getting control of the problem but I can also see the other side. Some law enforcement will certainly abuse this.