The Parking Lot...where scooters should stay.

[tryfuhl]

I mean who tapes just regular driving? They were clearly camming their driving behavior for good or bad. It's pretty common to see these types of vids, the approach to the greater mass of traffic while leaving the others in the dust is somewhat damning.

I need to rewatch to see if scooter guy hit his brakes because it almost seems as if he did.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I mean who tapes just regular driving? They were clearly camming their driving behavior for good or bad. It's pretty common to see these types of vids, the approach to the greater mass of traffic while leaving the others in the dust is somewhat damning.

I need to rewatch to see if scooter guy hit his brakes because it almost seems as if he did.

Yeah scooter guy does hit his breaks right before he gets hit. Could be staged.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yeah scooter guy does hit his breaks right before he gets hit. Could be staged.

I don't know if I'd be quick to call it staged.. but definitely a bone-headed reaction

[MTK]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I don't know if I'd be quick to call it staged.. but definitely a bone-headed reaction

Yep could easily be that too

[JoeRedskin]

Watched it several times, I still think this is all on scooter guy. The car is just not going that fast - listen to the gear shift. It happens only once, meaning he is in 3rd or 4th gear given how slow he was going through the accident zone. He passed a couple trucks and a bus, but they wouldn't accelerate as fast as anyway. Scooter-guy was moving around (after tail-gating actually) a slow moving car.

The driver also was clearly braking as soon as scooter guy moved over AND came to a stop quickly. Watch, from the time scooter guy moves over to complete stop is less than two light poles. If the driver had been going at a "reckless speed", scooter guy would have been under his car before coming to a stop.

Scooter guy didn't signal, and cut off a car that had the right of way. The more I watched it, the more clear it was scooter guy at fault all the way.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Watched it several times, I still think this is all on scooter guy. The car is just not going that fast - listen to the gear shift. It happens only once, meaning he is in 3rd or 4th gear given how slow he was going through the accident zone. He passed a couple trucks and a bus, but they wouldn't accelerate as fast as anyway. Scooter-guy was moving around (after tail-gating actually) a slow moving car.

The driver also was clearly braking as soon as scooter guy moved over AND came to a stop quickly. Watch, from the time scooter guy moves over to complete stop is less than two light poles. If the driver had been going at a "reckless speed", scooter guy would have been under his car before coming to a stop.

Scooter guy didn't signal, and cut off a car that had the right of way. The more I watched it, the more clear it was scooter guy at fault all the way.

I think it's a manual based on the shift sound.. so gear selection is on the driver.

driver did brake early and we'd have to know more about actual speeds and the braking system of the vehicle before we speculated that the scooter guy would've been under the car

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Watched it several times, I still think this is all on scooter guy. The car is just not going that fast - listen to the gear shift. It happens only once, meaning he is in 3rd or 4th gear given how slow he was going through the accident zone. He passed a couple trucks and a bus, but they wouldn't accelerate as fast as anyway. Scooter-guy was moving around (after tail-gating actually) a slow moving car.

The driver also was clearly braking as soon as scooter guy moved over AND came to a stop quickly. Watch, from the time scooter guy moves over to complete stop is less than two light poles. If the driver had been going at a "reckless speed", scooter guy would have been under his car before coming to a stop.

Scooter guy didn't signal, and cut off a car that had the right of way. The more I watched it, the more clear it was scooter guy at fault all the way.

The car driver has an obligation to do everything he can to avoid hitting the scooter, I'm not convinced he did that. I think he had enough time to avoid hitting him. I would say 75/25, scooter guy at fault

[tryfuhl]

that's twice now matty!

brake!

[firstdown]

You guys are funny. You bitch about arguing politics but you guys are arguing over a wreck that happened in another country on the internet. OK maybe we now need a section for accidents on youtube.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I think it's a manual based on the shift sound.. so gear selection is on the driver.

driver did brake early and we'd have to know more about actual speeds and the braking system of the vehicle before we speculated that the scooter guy would've been under the car

fair enough, but you are speculating that all the traffic around driver was already at the speed limit and that the driver was exceeding it. I am suggesting that isn't what the video shows. As long as the driver was at or near the speed limit, scooter guy has no right to enter the lane until he can do so safely and without disrupting the flow of traffic. He didn't do either.

Quite frankly, I don't think the video gives any evidence of reckless driving by the car's driver. He was cut off, he braked as soon as he was presented by the disturbance in his lane and came to a stop quickly.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

fair enough, but you are speculating that all the traffic around driver was already at the speed limit and that the driver was exceeding it. I am suggesting that isn't what the video shows. As long as the driver was at or near the speed limit, scooter guy has no right to enter the lane until he can do so safely and without disrupting the flow of traffic. He didn't do either.

Quite frankly, I don't think the video gives any evidence of reckless driving by the car's driver. He was cut off, he braked as soon as he was presented by the disturbance in his lane and came to a stop quickly.

not once did I say that they were at the speed limit or not continuing to accelerate, I only said that their approach was exceeding the speed of the surrounding vehicles

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The car driver has an obligation to do everything he can to avoid hitting the scooter, I'm not convinced he did that. I think he had enough time to avoid hitting him. I would say 75/25, scooter guy at fault

Everything reasonable - which means he doesn't have to put his or anyone else's life in danger. Could he have swerved? maybe. But if he goes right, what if scooter continues that way? Could he swerve left? dunno, maybe scooter guy goes that way to avoid, or there is a car approaching from behind. He was presented with an unreasonable and unexpected condition by scooter guy. He can't alter the time space continuim to stop on a dime and he doesn't have to be omniscient so that he can know what jerk move the scooter guy will do next.

I'll give you 95-5 but not much more than that - and only that grudgingly.

[tryfuhl]

I think that the car did mostly what it could've done given the circumstances. I think that they also contributed to the circumstances however.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

not once did I say that they were at the speed limit or not continuing to accelerate, I only said that their approach was exceeding the speed of the surrounding vehicles

Well, if he wasn't exceeding the speed limit, and was, while staying in his lane, simply accelerating to the limit faster than those in other lanes, he clearly was not "reckless". Not like he was racing or swerving through traffic. If he was not to the speed limit, he had a clear path to accelerate, was free to do so AND scooter guy should have anticipated that.

[tryfuhl]

Excessive acceleration is against traffic code in many areas.. not sure about where they're at. It could also be grouped into the category of "careless driving/operation of vehicle."

I've never really heard the you have the right to approach the speed limit as quickly as you'd like defense. Of course this is all assuming that they were still under the limit and that everyone else was just going painstakingly slowly following the previous incident.