To All The Liberals

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

And to all my conserative brothers here, it's time to put up or shut up for the Tea Party and the Republican Party. Now that campaign and talk tough season is over and you control the House of Representatives, I want to see what your side does about cutting spending, lowering taxes, too much debt. Don't start another damn Obama sucks thread until your party delivers on all of this talk about big government and spending programs.

What I do know is that your party won't touch defense spending like Robert Gates has already started to do at the Pentagon. They won't touch Veteran's benefits or entitlement programs, i.e. Social Security. They won't vote against lowering the debt ceiling, which has gone up under both administrations. I'll bet they won't. More tough talk from can't do, won't do, won't even try politicians peddling busllsh*t dressed up as conservatives.

Awwww. Someone is annoyed. I'm hearing that song... "so ya had a bad day...." Just because the Democrats jumped into office under enormous clout in '08 and pushed a bunch of shit through doesn't mean it was good legislation. But hey, y'all didn't waste a good crisis, that's for sure. By the way, Obama's former seat in Illinois just got taken by a Republican.

For the record I'm a registered Independent and have been for a few months now (was Republican since 2000). The US political system is such crap right now. I want what's good for America, and I definitely lean right, but I can't align myself with either party at this point.

But this administration is a trainwreck, and the people are speaking, just like they did two years ago. But of course, it will be spun that the economy is so effed up because of the Bush years, that the people are simply impatient and knee-jerk voted Republican today because Obama didn't give us an immediate 180.

Blah Blah Blah. You had your supermajority. No one is impressed.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Awwww. Someone is annoyed. I'm hearing that song... "so ya had a bad day...." Just because the Democrats jumped into office under enormous clout in '08 and pushed a bunch of shit through doesn't mean it was good legislation. But hey, y'all didn't waste a good crisis, that's for sure. By the way, Obama's former seat in Illinois just got taken by a Republican.

For the record I'm a registered Independent and have been for a few months now (was Republican since 2000). The US political system is such crap right now. I want what's good for America, and I definitely lean right, but I can't align myself with either party at this point.

But this administration is a trainwreck, and the people are speaking, just like they did two years ago. But of course, it will be spun that the economy is so effed up because of the Bush years, that the people are simply impatient and knee-jerk voted Republican today because Obama didn't give us an immediate 180.

Blah Blah Blah. You had your supermajority. No one is impressed.

Fair enough. See you in 2012.

[Dirtbag59]

What could possibly go wrong with a thread like this?

[GMScud]

Pat Toomey just took back Arlen Specter's old seat.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Pat Toomey just took back Arlen Specter's old seat.

A friend in Philly told me they heard there was only 20% voter turn out for the city of Philly, of course a democratic city. Not saying Republican turnout was higher but Philly (and I'm going to assume Pittsburgh but I could be wrong) carry the highest democratic weight. My friend calls the rest of the area of PA above Pitt and Philly, "Pennsyltucky" which is where all the Conservatives are.

Just assuming that if people in the major cities didn't turn out, its no surprise Republicans won.

Oh well. I'm taking the Trample route as an ode to a fallen comrade (cuz that dude just effin disappeared) and say, government sucks and all politicians are crooks. I didn't vote so I'm not really complaining either way. Just hope things workout over the next 2 years.

[GMScud]

As far as the House is concerned, this is basically like the 1st Clinton mid-term, a la New Gingrich circa 1994. Overall possibly the best mid-term for Republicans since WWII.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GMScud

As far as the House is concerned, this is basically like the 1st Clinton mid-term, a la New Gingrich circa 1994. Overall possibly the best mid-term for Republicans since WWII.

I thought Republicans took over the senate in 1994 too. How can it possibly be the best since WII if you haven't taken over the senate? Looking forward to a contorted answer.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

A friend in Philly told me they heard there was only 20% voter turn out for the city of Philly, of course a democratic city. Not saying Republican turnout was higher but Philly (and I'm going to assume Pittsburgh but I could be wrong) carry the highest democratic weight. My friend calls the rest of the area of PA above Pitt and Philly, "Pennsyltucky" which is where all the Conservatives are.

Just assuming that if people in the major cities didn't turn out, its no surprise Republicans won.

Oh well. I'm taking the Trample route as an ode to a fallen comrade (cuz that dude just effin disappeared) and say, government sucks and all politicians are crooks. I didn't vote so I'm not really complaining either way. Just hope things workout over the next 2 years.

The Black Panthers turned out again in Philly.

[saden1]

You got the house big woop...now what? You gonna cut social security? Well no because you told seniors you wouldn't. You're going to cut medicare? Well, no, you told seniors you wouldn't. Are you going to cut defense spending? Are you fcking high? You're going to cut other spending or kill ObamaCare? If you can get anything past the Senate conference more power to you and Obama's veto (as if that's going to be an option).


They over promised and they won't deliver. Buckle up Buck, it's going to be time to play hardball and we got more chips and defense spending bills to attach shit to. Yeeha!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

You got the house big woop...now what? You gonna cut social security? Well no because you told seniors you wouldn't. You're going to cut medicare? Well, no, you told seniors you wouldn't. Are you going to cut defense spending? Are you fcking high? You're going to cut other spending or kill ObamaCare? If you can get anything past the Senate conference more power to you and Obama's veto (as if that's going to be an option).


They over promised and they won't deliver. Buckle up Buck, it's going to be time to play hardball and we got more chips and defense spending bills to attach shit to. Yeeha!

The good news is that we can stop any shit Obama was planning to try and do. Lame duck DC is just fine with me.

[firstdown]

:smashfrea

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by firstdown

:smashfrea

The swamp has finally been drained Speaker...err....Ms. Pelosi.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Buster

The swamp has finally been drained Speaker...err....Ms. Pelosi.

I am SOOOO happy I don't have to look at her anymore.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The good news is that we can stop any shit Obama was planning to try and do. Lame duck DC is just fine with me.

LOL...don't use phrases whose meanings you don't know. Stick to "common sense" m'kay. Obama has done most of the things he wanted to do in round one and you lost that round a while ago. It's round 2 of a 4 round contest. Let's get it on!

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by saden1

You got the house big woop...now what? You gonna cut social security? Well no because you told seniors you wouldn't. You're going to cut medicare? Well, no, you told seniors you wouldn't. Are you going to cut defense spending? Are you fcking high? You're going to cut other spending or kill ObamaCare? If you can get anything past the Senate conference more power to you and Obama's veto (as if that's going to be an option).


They over promised and they won't deliver. Buckle up Buck, it's going to be time to play hardball and we got more chips and defense spending bills to attach shit to. Yeeha!

In terms of political strategy (who cares about the f***in country, politics is all that counts), the House is a far better win then the Senate. The House initiates all money bills, so if the Republicans are smart (which they aren't), they can lay out grand scheme plans, and incorporate enough to win maybe 2-3 democratic senators. What this does, is allow them to show they have a plan that works (yeah right) and put the President in the blocking/obstructionist position.

For arguments sake, lets say House Republicans put a plan out that 30 Repub vote no on, but 10 Dem vote yes.

It goes to the Senate, where they get 47 Repub votes and 4 Dem votes.

It comes out of conference with "bi-partisan" support of maybe 15 House Dems and 5 Senate Dems.

Now, if Pres Obama signs it, he gives the Republican party a victory, for leading in the country back to the right direction, but if he vetoes it, and the Senate fails to overturn it due to staunch liberal posturing, then the Republicans can claim that the far left is trying to keep the country on the wrong path.

Far better would be to either
a) lose both the senate and house, and Pres Obama can be the defender of the poor from the big evil conservatives.

Or

b) have won the house, and lost the Senate, where the Republicans would again be seen as the obstructionist party.

In the end

it will all be ssdd.