Rifts between Shanahan and Snyder?

[DCtoAZ]

this is such a load of crap and a non-story .. i love that Jay Glazer "reports" that Gruden could end up here .. come on man .. unless shanny goes 3-13 next season he will be coaching the Skins' in 2013.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

That's like me saying....I would not be surprised if a meteor hit the Earth at some point in time and extinguished all life.
No real story real here just huge speculation.

I do have one theory that has been in the back of my mind since this whole AH saga started this training camp....just a theory....I wondered if AH was forced on Shanahan by Snyder because of AH's contract. Snyder made a mandate if we can not trade AH for at least a 2nd we keep him. Shanahan was desperate to unload AH at any cost and out of frustration said fine I will make this fat boy's life miserable to make him either quit or make him look bad until he quits. Either way Shanahan eventually got what he wanted which was AH off the roster with no pay.
Did Snyder figure it out and this combined with the mishandling of McNabb, maybe Snyder is pull in the slack of the FO reigns?

No, Shanahan has his history of bringing in talented DTs and doing battle with them soon afterwards(Daryl Gardener and Trevor Price). Who's fault started those battles is irrelevant here. Shanahan might be in the right for all cases, he might not. Anyway, I think that when Shanahan sees a talented DT, he's always going to try to "coerce" him onboard because he sooooo wants to reap the benefits of that player and he has a bit of pride that he can coach anyone up. It worked with Pryce, but not with Haynesworth. Haynesworth talents could be used at NT, but he has quickness and agility that most other prospective NTs don't have, and

I can understand that he would try to have the Haynesworth cake and eat it too since if successful, the defense would be that much better.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I heard on the radio this am that Jay Glazer has mentioned the same thing. Basically that Snyder did not like the way Shanahan handled the McNabb/Haynesworth situations. And that since Bruce Allen has a relationship with Gruden that he would not be surprised if Gruden ended up in Washington.

I don't know if Glazer is prone to talking about unconfirmed reports over the air, but if he says that on Fox' pregame show this weekend (or after) I'll believe the story has legs.

[SmootSmack]

Some thoughts:

Glazer is great. I don't necessarily agree with his methods, but he's really really good at what he does. Even the best are wrong sometimes though

Gruden and Allen have an interesting relationship. They watched a lot of games together last year and sometimes I couldn't tell if they hate each other or love each other. Maybe a little of both. But I kind of got the feeling Gruden is ready to be on his own. Allen's not as concerned with being "the man"

Snyder's biggest "issue" with the McNabb benching was that he wasn't in town when it happened. But that issue was blown way out of proportion

[IrMitchell]

Looking back, I think Gruden would have been the better choice (I'm aware he likely wasn't an option). Shanahan is a great coach, there's no doubt about it.. But the Redskins had no motivation. We were coming off the worst season in about a decade and had very few characters guys on our team. Jon Gruden would have motivated this team, he would have convinced Haynesworth that he could be his Warren Sapp. He would have had the defense playing what suits them, with good players and not these scrubs like Kemo and Gholston. He likely wouldn't have gotten McNabb and would have drafted a receiver to work with Santana.
Mike Shanahan doesn't seem to be the guy to completely change the culture unless he can take each player off the roster that doesn't work hard one by one.

Hindsight is 20/20, but I still feel like Gruden would have allowed for better results this year, but rather than just getting lucky.. Showing actual improvement.

This year we're pretty much banking on Free Agency and the Draft, because I can't imagine a Jim Haslett ran defense with the players from last year doing anything differently.

[NC_Skins]

There is basically one credible source out there with Redskins info and that is Adam Schefter. You can pretty much disregard pretty much everybody else and assume it's made up, which it most likely is. (Jason La Confora, Jason Reid are two notable ones)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

There is basically one credible source out there with Redskins info and that is Adam Schefter. You can pretty much disregard pretty much everybody else and assume it's made up, which it most likely is. (Jason La Confora, Jason Reid are two notable ones)

I wouldn't go that far

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I heard on the radio this am that Jay Glazer has mentioned the same thing. Basically that Snyder did not like the way Shanahan handled the McNabb/Haynesworth situations. And that since Bruce Allen has a relationship with Gruden that he would not be surprised if Gruden ended up in Washington.

Ok lets for a moment believe your not throwing horse hock out here right now and take it as a possible truth....

#1- Why give anyone 1-2 yrs to fix what took 10 yrs to screw up?
#2- Allen and Shanahan are good friends and both came to an agreement prior to being hired by Snyder that they would work their next gig together. So the loyalty is leaning toward Allen/Shanahan not Allen/Snyder.

#3- Snyder can be pissed all he wants to but "his" way of handling the team proved to not work out well over the course of the 10 yrs and "if" DS is truly about turning over a new leaf and letting the right people run the team then DS needs to shut up and look the other way. He admitted that how things were being run was a failure.

Lastly I find it interesting that DS goes out of his way to pick up Allen/Shanahan to make this team better and instill discipline and he would be upset at how McNabb and Haynesworth was handled? Funny cause if I was the owner I'd be more pissed at the players.

Haynesworth for not getting with the program and McNabb for the bad decision making.

But thankfully I don't believe any of the BS.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I wouldn't go that far

Seeing how Schefter gets his info straight from Shanny, I would go that far.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Not buying it.

At all.

Off-sesason.......no Skins game to talk about.....Blarney

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ok lets for a moment believe your not throwing horse hock out here right now and take it as a possible truth....

#1- Why give anyone 1-2 yrs to fix what took 10 yrs to screw up?
#2- Allen and Shanahan are good friends and both came to an agreement prior to being hired by Snyder that they would work their next gig together. So the loyalty is leaning toward Allen/Shanahan not Allen/Snyder.

#3- Snyder can be pissed all he wants to but "his" way of handling the team proved to not work out well over the course of the 10 yrs and "if" DS is truly about turning over a new leaf and letting the right people run the team then DS needs to shut up and look the other way. He admitted that how things were being run was a failure.

Lastly I find it interesting that DS goes out of his way to pick up Allen/Shanahan to make this team better and instill discipline and he would be upset at how McNabb and Haynesworth was handled? Funny cause if I was the owner I'd be more pissed at the players.

Haynesworth for not getting with the program and McNabb for the bad decision making.

But thankfully I don't believe any of the BS.

I'm just writing what I heard on The Fan this morning. Is it BS? Probably and I personally don't think Shanahan is going anywhere. But I'm sure DS isn't happy about how Shanahan has handled some things.

[celts32]

I originally wanted the Allen & Gruden combo but that ship sailed. We need to give Shanny his time to turn this around. I am willing to give him at least 3 years and probably 4 before passing judgement.

[SouperMeister]

Assuming improvement to the 8-8 range, there is no way that Snyder fires Shanny after year 2 with $20M+ guaranteed remaining on his contract. No way.

[celts32]

The record doesn't even matter to me. If he fires Shanny after 2 years that will be one of the worst days in Redskins history, because it will mean that after 10+ years our owner still doesn't get it and the franchise is doomed...

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Not buying it.

At all.

This.