Things Are Bad All Over?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

They could have called it Fed-X field at Jack Kent Cook stadium. I sure do miss him I remember working at Radio Shack the day it happened i put all the tv's on the channel, pulled up a chair and just sat there.

When Joe Gibbs left, I had an empty feeling about the Redskins and my worst thoughts had come true. When Jack Kent Cooke died, those same thoughts and feelings came back again, and have pretty much remained since. How I stay so positive about this team, I never know, but something tells me that eventually they'll return to the Redskins of old, but it might take an intervention.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

While the Haynesworth and Peppers signings are superficially similar, the Bears didn't sign Peppers with the idea that they would plug him in somewhere and hope. The Bears had a coaching staff that really, truly understands it's defensive scheme, and so when they signed Peppers, they released Alex Brown and opted not to resign Adewale Ogunleye.

Those were eye opening moves, but in hindsight, somewhat necessary to make sure Peppers could succeed in the scheme. When we signed Haynesworth, we didn't release Griffin or Phillip Daniels or something similar, we dropped the one guy who might have benefitted from Haynesworth the most (Jason Taylor) for $8 million dollars of cap space. [Although we were in cap hell and needed that $8 million to have a draft.]

Our coaches didn't understand defense very well (and we still don't have coaches as good as the Bears coaches, which is why the 2010 Haynesworth thing happened).

Noted for accuracy.

Yes Sir! You are correct.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Buster

We can disregard drafting history. Our draft-monkey has left the building.

Yep, we've got a new regime. Let's pray they get it right over the next few years.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

While the Haynesworth and Peppers signings are superficially similar, the Bears didn't sign Peppers with the idea that they would plug him in somewhere and hope. The Bears had a coaching staff that really, truly understands it's defensive scheme, and so when they signed Peppers, they released Alex Brown and opted not to resign Adewale Ogunleye.

Those were eye opening moves, but in hindsight, somewhat necessary to make sure Peppers could succeed in the scheme. When we signed Haynesworth, we didn't release Griffin or Phillip Daniels or something similar, we dropped the one guy who might have benefitted from Haynesworth the most (Jason Taylor) for $8 million dollars of cap space. [Although we were in cap hell and needed that $8 million to have a draft.]

Our coaches didn't understand defense very well (and we still don't have coaches as good as the Bears coaches, which is why the 2010 Haynesworth thing happened).

Noted for accuracy.

I still think that the Redskins don't know how to make a big prized free agent signing work. Although you can definitely blame these situations on the players themselves, it has happened enough times that some blame has to go towards the team.

We all know Haynesworth is a scumbag, but why is it that Jeff Fisher and his staff made him into a dominant DT (post stomping incident), whereas two coaching regimes could not do anything with him?

I just hope this new regime stays away from an expensive free agent...well they technically didn't with the McNabb acquisition. But I hope they've learned from it.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Buster

We can disregard drafting history. Our draft-monkey has left the building.

Let's not put all of our draft woes on Vinny (I can't believe I'm defending him). Joe Gibbs, much like Shanahan today, had the final say on all personnel decisions from 2004 through 2007. The only offseason that I pin entirely on Vinny is 2008, although that was among the worst offseasons in franchise history:

• Plugged hard to promote Zorn from newly hired OC to head coach
• 10 player draft has yielded ONE starter (Kareem Moore who is marginal, at best)

Getting rid of Vinny was certainly the right move. We have to keep the faith that Shanny is changing the culture here, and will start winning when he acquires more of his type of players through the draft and free agency.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

When Joe Gibbs left, I had an empty feeling about the Redskins and my worst thoughts had come true. When Jack Kent Cooke died, those same thoughts and feelings came back again, and have pretty much remained since. How I stay so positive about this team, I never know, but something tells me that eventually they'll return to the Redskins of old, but it might take an intervention.

I hear ya on that.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I said it before early in the year but it's worth saying again. The Bears built their team exactly the same way as the Redskins, yet somehow ended up in the NFC Championship. I guess part of that is they matched their big name QB acquisition with the right coach but other then that we're pretty damn similar. Big contract to a defensive lineman, draftpicks for someone elses QB, top notch MLB, porus OL, big name coach, Beat the Packers, etc.

I've made a similar analogy myself even down to OC's that have a disdain for the run.
But, their RB is much better and their OL coach and OC did a better job adapting their schemes to maximize the talent of a limited unit.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I still think that the Redskins don't know how to make a big prized free agent signing work. Although you can definitely blame these situations on the players themselves, it has happened enough times that some blame has to go towards the team.

We all know Haynesworth is a scumbag, but why is it that Jeff Fisher and his staff made him into a dominant DT (post stomping incident), whereas two coaching regimes could not do anything with him?

I just hope this new regime stays away from an expensive free agent...well they technically didn't with the McNabb acquisition. But I hope they've learned from it.

IMO I think Shanny thought he could do a quick fix with this team, thus the McNabb trade, but from post season articles in WaPo he has recognized the need to rebuild. I guess a season that does not meet your expectations will do that.

In terms on Haynesworth, I think the structure and continuity in Tennessee was the reason for his success. In DC the constant change and drama and the lack of communication made for a bad mix for a player that craves structure.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

IMO I think Shanny thought he could do a quick fix with this team, thus the McNabb trade, but from post season articles in WaPo he has recognized the need to rebuild. I guess a season that does not meet your expectations will do that.

In terms on Haynesworth, I think the structure and continuity in Tennessee was the reason for his success. In DC the constant change and drama and the lack of communication made for a bad mix for a player that craves structure.

I'm reasonably certain that Shanahan was trying to provide structure. AH would have none of it. Perhaps the continuity helped in Tennessee, but who knows...

AH was obviously ruined by his mega contract, I think the only hope for him as a football player would be to run out of money and to have to play for a living again, so to speak.

What a waste!

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

I'm reasonably certain that Shanahan was trying to provide structure. AH would have none of it. Perhaps the continuity helped in Tennessee, but who knows...

AH was obviously ruined by his mega contract, I think the only hope for him as a football player would be to run out of money and to have to play for a living again, so to speak.

What a waste!

I was referring to the Redskins organization as a whole and its rate of turnover of how a team should be run. I agree that Shanahan tried to incorporate structure, but the entire organization was/is? chaotic.

[schndr_tdd]

Does anyone remember the "turf toe" injury lol. Sanders is the last person to be critisizing Cutler.im not taking up for Cutler because i feel like he didint try hard enough to stay in and i feel he should have worked with the backups each and every problem they were having.if Darrell Green (which is a way better corner than Sanders ever thought about being,but wasnt considered because he didnt run his mouth and show off everything he had)would have said something ,id have to consider his opinion.After all he did return a few punts with 2 broken ribs.Broken ribs is a worse injury than turf toe Dion lol.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

IMO I think Shanny thought he could do a quick fix with this team, thus the McNabb trade, but from post season articles in WaPo he has recognized the need to rebuild. I guess a season that does not meet your expectations will do that.

In terms on Haynesworth, I think the structure and continuity in Tennessee was the reason for his success. In DC the constant change and drama and the lack of communication made for a bad mix for a player that craves structure.

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

I'm reasonably certain that Shanahan was trying to provide structure. AH would have none of it. Perhaps the continuity helped in Tennessee, but who knows...

Call me crazy, but I think Shanahan was trying to a quick fix and provide structure at the same time. I don't think the Redskins were in a position as a team to do both well.