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irish · 12-15-2004, 11:50 AM

I am amazed that people actually think the redskins will win this game by 14 - 17 points when the redskins cant even score that many points. I think redskins fans need to face the facts that the team is not that good and have done nothing to make anyone not a skins fans to think they are good. The line is good and the skins will barely cover it.

Redskins_P · 12-15-2004, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

I am amazed that people actually think the redskins will win this game by 14 - 17 points when the redskins cant even score that many points. I think redskins fans need to face the facts that the team is not that good and have done nothing to make anyone not a skins fans to think they are good. The line is good and the skins will barely cover it.

Nobody here thinks that we're that good, but come on we're playing the shittiest team in the NFL. We have the No. 2 defense in the league, and our offense is starting to show some kind of life. I guarantee we beat them by more 14. Look at what we did to the Giants!

I really doubt we'll barely cover. We will beat these guys just like we beat the Giants. Running the ball, and burning the clock.

You actually think the 49ers will score against our D?

Redskins_P · 12-15-2004, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

The 49ers dont even get fans to come to their games. Werent they complaining about that like a week ago? I'm putting seroius considerations on betting this game, and I'm not a big gambler.

You know what, I have never gambled in my life and I'm also seriously considering taking this game. You have to believe that with our defense and our running game there is no way these guys can even score on us.

MTK · 12-15-2004, 01:22 PM

We should be able to roll the 49ers like we did the Giants.

If we can't put up at least 20 points and hold them to less than 10 then something is seriously wrong.

irish · 12-15-2004, 02:47 PM

Redskins P if you give me 14 points I'll take the 49ers in a heartbeat.

If the niners are the shittiest than what are the Cardinals who lost to them twice? And what has been so great about the skins running game? They looked great against the crummy Giants (who are really the worst in the NFL) but against stronger teams the skins running game is average.

I am sure the niners will score against the redskins and I'm pretty certain the skins will win, but by 14, I doubt it. The skins will win by a TD.

heybigstar · 12-15-2004, 03:01 PM

just put 300 on the skins, the line is 4 points now, but i bought a point, so the line is -3, and the pay off is 215, i havent bet in a while, but ur right.. this should be a win....
unfortunately, nothing is ever a sure thing ....

sportscurmudgeon · 12-15-2004, 04:14 PM

irish:

You just made my point. You want the 49ers with 14 points but the line is only 3.5.

The 49ers offense is slightly better than the Giant's offense - but nothing to write home about. Don't check the yardage stats and tell me that the Giants gain more yards per game than the 49ers because those averages include the early season games before the Giants went to Eli Manning and their offense came apart at the seams. The 49ers are not a good running team and if they become one-dimensional the Skins' blitzing defense can handle Dorsey. That is not Michael Vick back there in terms of "escapability".

The 49ers defense is not as good as the Giants' defense even with all the injuries in NY.

Unless the Skins come out totally flat and unfocused, this game should resemble the Giants' game from a couple of weeks ago.

irish · 12-16-2004, 09:38 AM

I want the 14 points because you are giving it to me and only an idiot would pass up that deal.

These Vegas lines have nothing to do with respect and are rarely as far off as you suggest this line is. The reason this line is as close as it is is because unbiased outsiders who really pay attention to football and everything that goes into creating a Vegas line have calculated that these teams are not as much different. Sure the skins have a great D but the O cant score and I'm sure that lack of scoring ability is what weighed heavily on the decision to make this line as low as it is.

irish · 12-16-2004, 09:57 AM

Looking at the stats I found what could be a way to justify the spread. The skins average 14.1 ppg on O and give up 16.8 ppg on D. SF averages 17.6 ppg on O and gives up 28 ppg on D. Averaging what the skins score on O (14.1) with what SF gives up on D (28) gives a number of 21 ppg. Doing the same for SF and averaging what SF gets on O (17.6) with what the skins give up on D (16.8) gives a number of 17.2 ppg. So from those averages we get a final score of:

Skins 21
SF 17

Thats pretty close to the Vegas line.

Redskins_P · 12-16-2004, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

Looking at the stats I found what could be a way to justify the spread. The skins average 14.1 ppg on O and give up 16.8 ppg on D. SF averages 17.6 ppg on O and gives up 28 ppg on D. Averaging what the skins score on O (14.1) with what SF gives up on D (28) gives a number of 21 ppg. Doing the same for SF and averaging what SF gets on O (17.6) with what the skins give up on D (16.8) gives a number of 17.2 ppg. So from those averages we get a final score of:

Skins 21
SF 17

Thats pretty close to the Vegas line.

I have to disagree w/ you irish. Look at how our D played against the most explosive offense in the NFC. We held them to 17 points. So, I don't see how the 49ers can even put up 10 on us. They have a mediocre at best running game ( I think our running game is much better ) and they have no downfield threats at WR.

I could careless about what both teams average. We scored 31 points on the Giants, and were a couples short of beating the Eagles. I don't pay attention to the "averages".

irish · 12-16-2004, 10:23 AM

I tend to believe longer term averages that one or two game flash in the pans.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying the skins will lose I'm only saying they will barely cover the spread instead of the 14 point blowout some in this thread have suggested.

Redskins_P · 12-16-2004, 10:30 AM

I hear ya irish. I think anyone who says we're losing this game has some serious issues.

Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I think we can crush these guys. We're coming off a tough loss, and I think the players still want make a statement in these last 3 games. We shall see.

irish · 12-16-2004, 10:35 AM

Redskins P, I'll see you back here Monday to discuss how right (or wrong) we were. I hope you are right though.

Redskins_P · 12-16-2004, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

Redskins P, I'll see you back here Monday to discuss how right (or wrong) we were. I hope you are right though.

Shoot, me too irish!! I hope I'm right. I'll be looking for you on Monday

irish · 12-20-2004, 09:03 AM

Ok P, at least the skins won but had the D not scored that TD my score would have been almost exactly correct. The O is pathetic and until those problems are fixed this team cannot be taken seriously.

12-15-2004, 03:01 PM	#21
heybigstar Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 41 Posts: 375	just put 300 on the skins, the line is 4 points now, but i bought a point, so the line is -3, and the pay off is 215, i havent bet in a while, but ur right.. this should be a win.... unfortunately, nothing is ever a sure thing .... __________________ Hail to the Redskins.

12-15-2004, 04:14 PM	#22
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	irish: You just made my point. You want the 49ers with 14 points but the line is only 3.5. The 49ers offense is slightly better than the Giant's offense - but nothing to write home about. Don't check the yardage stats and tell me that the Giants gain more yards per game than the 49ers because those averages include the early season games before the Giants went to Eli Manning and their offense came apart at the seams. The 49ers are not a good running team and if they become one-dimensional the Skins' blitzing defense can handle Dorsey. That is not Michael Vick back there in terms of "escapability". The 49ers defense is not as good as the Giants' defense even with all the injuries in NY. Unless the Skins come out totally flat and unfocused, this game should resemble the Giants' game from a couple of weeks ago. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

12-15-2004, 11:50 AM	#16
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	I am amazed that people actually think the redskins will win this game by 14 - 17 points when the redskins cant even score that many points. I think redskins fans need to face the facts that the team is not that good and have done nothing to make anyone not a skins fans to think they are good. The line is good and the skins will barely cover it.

12-15-2004, 01:22 PM	#19
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	We should be able to roll the 49ers like we did the Giants. If we can't put up at least 20 points and hold them to less than 10 then something is seriously wrong.

12-15-2004, 02:47 PM	#20
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Redskins P if you give me 14 points I'll take the 49ers in a heartbeat. If the niners are the shittiest than what are the Cardinals who lost to them twice? And what has been so great about the skins running game? They looked great against the crummy Giants (who are really the worst in the NFL) but against stronger teams the skins running game is average. I am sure the niners will score against the redskins and I'm pretty certain the skins will win, but by 14, I doubt it. The skins will win by a TD.

12-16-2004, 09:38 AM	#23
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	I want the 14 points because you are giving it to me and only an idiot would pass up that deal. These Vegas lines have nothing to do with respect and are rarely as far off as you suggest this line is. The reason this line is as close as it is is because unbiased outsiders who really pay attention to football and everything that goes into creating a Vegas line have calculated that these teams are not as much different. Sure the skins have a great D but the O cant score and I'm sure that lack of scoring ability is what weighed heavily on the decision to make this line as low as it is.

12-16-2004, 09:57 AM	#24
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Looking at the stats I found what could be a way to justify the spread. The skins average 14.1 ppg on O and give up 16.8 ppg on D. SF averages 17.6 ppg on O and gives up 28 ppg on D. Averaging what the skins score on O (14.1) with what SF gives up on D (28) gives a number of 21 ppg. Doing the same for SF and averaging what SF gets on O (17.6) with what the skins give up on D (16.8) gives a number of 17.2 ppg. So from those averages we get a final score of: Skins 21 SF 17 Thats pretty close to the Vegas line.

12-16-2004, 10:23 AM	#26
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	I tend to believe longer term averages that one or two game flash in the pans. Keep in mind, I'm not saying the skins will lose I'm only saying they will barely cover the spread instead of the 14 point blowout some in this thread have suggested.

12-16-2004, 10:30 AM	#27
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 46 Posts: 4,101	I hear ya irish. I think anyone who says we're losing this game has some serious issues. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I think we can crush these guys. We're coming off a tough loss, and I think the players still want make a statement in these last 3 games. We shall see.

12-16-2004, 10:35 AM	#28
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Redskins P, I'll see you back here Monday to discuss how right (or wrong) we were. I hope you are right though.

12-20-2004, 09:03 AM	#30
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Ok P, at least the skins won but had the D not scored that TD my score would have been almost exactly correct. The O is pathetic and until those problems are fixed this team cannot be taken seriously.

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