rebuilding or FA frenzy?

[skinster]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What do you mean by "not much longer" because if you mean 1 or 2 more years than yeah Moss won't be here much longer than that. Rocky is probably gone, but would we really miss him? Brown is very much a question mark.

Whatever, I say blow the whole team up and go for Luck. Who's with me?!

"not much longer" I mean that I have heard that we don't want to extend Rocky, Moss doesn't want to stay here, Brown wants to be a starting LT somewhere, and Los wants out as well. They are all FA's this year.

But more so on top of that by "not much longer" is that even if some of these guys stay, how much longer will they be effective? by the time we get the pieces around them to fill the other holes on our team, many players on our team will be too old an ineffective and we will have to fill those new holes, not having a complete team.

I am 100% on board with the Luck proposal, I've been saying it for years. I'd much prefer to be absolutely terrible for a few years, get the core players we need in the draft, and then start to wreck shit up as opposed to staying in mediocrity forever. The lions and Rams will be two great teams a few years down the road...hell even look at the falcons now. The colts/chargers/giants would all be nothing if not for that one bad season they had. We need a great qb, and to get that we need to lose.
I'll personally be rooting for an 0-16 season, and get Andrew Luck. I would love watching our games even in those first few seasons when our rebuilding project begins, before we are good. I'd love to just watch young guys develop and watch the improvement of our team. And then when it all clicks together, I'd love that even more. Mediocrity is the worst thing you can be in football. You don't improve enough through the draft, and your team still pisses you off. I've been pissed off way too long. I want something to look forward to.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by skinster

"not much longer" I mean that I have heard that we don't want to extend Rocky, Moss doesn't want to stay here, Brown wants to be a starting LT somewhere, and Los wants out as well. They are all FA's this year.

But more so on top of that by "not much longer" is that even if some of these guys stay, how much longer will they be effective? by the time we get the pieces around them to fill the other holes on our team, many players on our team will be too old an ineffective and we will have to fill those new holes, not having a complete team.

I am 100% on board with the Luck proposal, I've been saying it for years. I'd much prefer to be absolutely terrible for a few years, get the core players we need in the draft, and then start to wreck shit up as opposed to staying in mediocrity forever. The lions and Rams will be two great teams a few years down the road...hell even look at the falcons now. The colts/chargers/giants would all be nothing if not for that one bad season they had. We need a great qb, and to get that we need to lose.
I'll personally be rooting for an 0-16 season, and get Andrew Luck. I would love watching our games even in those first few seasons when our rebuilding project begins, before we are good. I'd love to just watch young guys develop and watch the improvement of our team. And then when it all clicks together, I'd love that even more. Mediocrity is the worst thing you can be in football. You don't improve enough through the draft, and your team still pisses you off. I've been pissed off way too long. I want something to look forward to.

There is no guarantee that picking near the top of the draft year after year will get you results. I mean do we really have to look at the past decade, you'll routinely find a few teams that are top 10 or worse nearly every year and aren't Super Bowl bound anytime soon. I'm sorry but I don't trust getting several early 1st round picks over a number of years leading us to prosperity. A lot of things happen over a few years and it would be stupid to mortgage the future on the hope that 3-5 top 5 picks would make us legitimate contenders; that is a completely unacceptable and foolish strategy.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

There is no guarantee that picking near the top of the draft year after year will get you results. I mean do we really have to look at the past decade, you'll routinely find a few teams that are top 10 or worse nearly every year and aren't Super Bowl bound anytime soon. I'm sorry but I don't trust getting several early 1st round picks over a number of years leading us to prosperity. A lot of things happen over a few years and it would be stupid to mortgage the future on the hope that 3-5 top 5 picks would make us legitimate contenders; that is a completely unacceptable and foolish strategy.

Our record with 1st round picks have been pretty good. So if the situation did present itself, I would predict satisfaction, at least for me.

But this is all hypothetical talk. We are too good a team to be able to tank. (yes, 5-11 or better means you are indeed too good to tank in my world). Since there will be no firesale for our team, Andrew Luck may be be a superstar...somewhere else...maybe Buf-, ahem, Toronto.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

There is no guarantee that picking near the top of the draft year after year will get you results. I mean do we really have to look at the past decade, you'll routinely find a few teams that are top 10 or worse nearly every year and aren't Super Bowl bound anytime soon. I'm sorry but I don't trust getting several early 1st round picks over a number of years leading us to prosperity. A lot of things happen over a few years and it would be stupid to mortgage the future on the hope that 3-5 top 5 picks would make us legitimate contenders; that is a completely unacceptable and foolish strategy.

I'm not talking near the top, I'm talking the top. I'm talking Luck. He is a guarantee in my mind. Plus it might not be guaranteed that higher draft picks are better, but look at the odds, they more than likely are. Look at the draft chart how much these picks are worth relative to one another. The top of the board is worth so much. Theres no guarantee, but its much more highley likely, and I'd like to have the best odds possible.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What do you mean by "not much longer" because if you mean 1 or 2 more years than yeah Moss won't be here much longer than that. Rocky is probably gone, but would we really miss him? Brown is very much a question mark.

Whatever, I say blow the whole team up and go for Luck. Who's with me?!

I swear if I thought it was possible I would do it...but it seems just as hard to be the worst team as it is to be the best. As bad as the last Zorn team was we were not even close to picking 1st. In theory I would easily give up 1 year for 10-15 years of Luck...

[Longtimefan]

Selective free agents may be necessary in some areas to help improve the team. I don't anticipate a "frenzy" [so to speak] but I'm convinced everyone involved in procuring the talent necessary to make the team more competitive will be totally committed to that accomplishment.

[Chico23231]

I think we will add a couple new starters on the OL, a QB, and a another rotation guy along the DL. I dont expect "superstar" signings anymore just due to the shift in FO thinking, which I think is the right move.

[firstdown]

We have a plan.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by firstdown

We need a plan.

.........Let's play dead

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[MTK]

The days of going nuts in free agency are over. We do have some needs to fill once free agency opens though.

[KI Skins Fan]

I'm all for Free Agency as a rebuilding tool but with some caveats:

1. Don't overpay for a big name FA.
2. No turds.
3. Do multi-year deals for all young FA's signed.
4. Do one-year deals for all older, stop-gap FA's signed.
5. Choose FA's carefully.

[diehardskin2982]

I don't think Luck is the end all answer for us. We have to many holes to fill and we may be more competitive than many think. Our schedule is the 3 easiest in the league next year.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I don't think Luck is the end all answer for us. We have to many holes to fill and we may be more competitive than many think. Our schedule is the 3 easiest in the league next year.

I disagree. You can go without great guys at any position and win with the exception of qb. The qb is the end all be all, and if you don't have one your screwed. Granted your right in that you need to surround him with the right pieces to put him in a position to win, but if you have those pieces (many of them) and you don't have that QB, you are screwed.

I don't want to be "more competitive" than one might think. What does that even mean? we go 8-8? 9-7? Might as well go 0-16 because all teams that has no shot at winning the superbowl are the same in my eyes. And we get some middle grade draft picks that will ensure that we stay in medicority forever? talent needs to be infused on to our team, and the only way for that to happen is to get higher draft picks.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by skinster

I disagree. You can go without great guys at any position and win with the exception of qb. The qb is the end all be all, and if you don't have one your screwed. Granted your right in that you need to surround him with the right pieces to put him in a position to win, but if you have those pieces (many of them) and you don't have that QB, you are screwed.

I don't want to be "more competitive" than one might think. What does that even mean? we go 8-8? 9-7? Might as well go 0-16 because all teams that has no shot at winning the superbowl are the same in my eyes. And we get some middle grade draft picks that will ensure that we stay in medicority forever? talent needs to be infused on to our team, and the only way for that to happen is to get higher draft picks.

Okay and if so through the rebuilding process with your so called "middle grade draft picks" we don't do well because we are young and inexperienced and lose a lot of games so be it. That is part of the rebuilding process. But you make it sound like losing would be on purpose, a priority. That is just ignorant and asinine if you ask me.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Okay and if so through the rebuilding process with your so called "middle grade draft picks" we don't do well because we are young and inexperienced and lose a lot of games so be it. That is part of the rebuilding process. But you make it sound like losing would be on purpose, a priority. That is just ignorant and asinine if you ask me.

I think its ignorant to think otherwise (even though I am aware I am in the vast minority). I can think of very few teams that were consistently average teams and then suddenly broke through to become top tier. These mediocre teams seem to all stay mediocre untill they suddenly drop to the bottom. I could go on for a while to tell you all the examples, but I'm sure you can look them up yourself. Being mediocre is delaying the inevitable of being terrible. Which is what seems to be happening to us now. Being kind of bad is not going to fix the problem. A true superstar needs to emerge. I think the lions and the rams are on their way to becoming legitimate teams. We need that superstar, and the best way to get him is with the first pick. Its very rare that Aaron Rodgers will fall into your lap in the 20's. The picks at the top of the 2nd/3rd round won't hurt either.