Taylor Not Guilty on DUI

Daseal · 01-05-2005, 06:54 PM

a) The alphabet test is bullshit. I'm one of those people that has to progress from A-Z and I have trouble picking up in the middle or going backwards. Any of that is extremely difficult for me sober.

Too me he sounded sober. Also - who doesn't leave a club smelling like alcohol? It's everywhere, people spill it on you, etc.

He sounded like he got the right call. DUI's are slapped on people in this country that shouldn't be. My favorite is the guy who got a DUI asleep in his back seat because he turned the heat on to stay warm.

hurrykaine · 01-05-2005, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

a) The alphabet test is bullshit. I'm one of those people that has to progress from A-Z and I have trouble picking up in the middle or going backwards. Any of that is extremely difficult for me sober.

Too me he sounded sober. Also - who doesn't leave a club smelling like alcohol? It's everywhere, people spill it on you, etc.

He sounded like he got the right call. DUI's are slapped on people in this country that shouldn't be. My favorite is the guy who got a DUI asleep in his back seat because he turned the heat on to stay warm.

Funniest thing in the WP article is how LC said he was watching ST closely at the party cuz he suspected Taylor was bonking the same woman as LC.

Paintrain · 01-05-2005, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Funniest thing in the WP article is how LC said he was watching ST closely at the party cuz he suspected Taylor was bonking the same woman as LC.

You beat me to it!!!

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Coles said he did not see Taylor drink and that he had been keeping a particularly close eye on Taylor because "I kind of had the idea that the woman I was dating, he was dating, so I watched him."

I don't know if that's funny or scary.. Was Coles stalking him or her?

saden1 · 01-05-2005, 08:04 PM

"The alphabet test, to me, is kind of confusing," McClain said. "I don't think anybody's asked Mr. Taylor to say the alphabet since fourth grade."

Now that's funny. I can understand if they asked him to recite it backwards but come on, you simply don't forget the alphabet.

Daseal · 01-05-2005, 08:13 PM

Saden: It depends on what the officer asks. Some ask you from Z-A, some ask you to pick up. All of them ask you to go backwards. I can't go backwards, can you?

Gmanc711 · 01-05-2005, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

"The alphabet test, to me, is kind of confusing," McClain said. "I don't think anybody's asked Mr. Taylor to say the alphabet since fourth grade."

Now that's funny. I can understand if they asked him to recite it backwards but come on, you simply don't forget the alphabet.

My cousin, who is 2 and a half, knows the alphabet. If they asked him to go from A-Z and he didnt get it, he was either drunk or hes a idiot. However, if they did ask him to do it backwards, I think that is a bougus test because I cant say the thing backwards right now.

Weather he really was drunk or not (I have no idea seeing as I wasent there), I'm not at all shocked with this ruling.

saden1 · 01-05-2005, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Saden: It depends on what the officer asks. Some ask you from Z-A, some ask you to pick up. All of them ask you to go backwards. I can't go backwards, can you?

I was saying doing it backwards would be harder and I can understand if he screwed it up. Almost all would falter if they were asked to recite it backwards..

And no, I can't do it backwards, in timely manner anyways.

Gmanc711 · 01-05-2005, 08:21 PM

For me to do it backwards I can go Z, Y, X then I have to start at A, go all the way up and see what the next letter would be, and just keep doing that. It would take like 5 mintues.

Skins fan 44 · 01-05-2005, 09:35 PM

A....B....E....G....C.... Hell I have not said the alphabet in a while myself. Too difficult for me. Regardless of if he was drunk or not, by refusing to take the breathlizer or blood test should be enough to be found guilty, but then you throw in the lawers and get him out of it. Our justice system at it finest.

Daseal · 01-06-2005, 12:50 AM

Skins_fan: How many times do you hear "don't do anything without a lawyer" this is a bigtime name and he was probably confused. You can't take cops advice, most of them lie to get their way. If he didn't know what to do take it to court. Step 1: Never give a cop the right to search or otherwise even do anything to you that he doesn't have a warrent for. Ignorance isn't an excuse, but it's better than saying something stupid that gets misconstrued. From a legal standpoint he probably did the right thing.

JoeRedskin · 01-06-2005, 03:37 AM

Bottom line - it was the judge's call and based on the report in the paper, it looked like a reasonable person could have (but not neccearily) reached the same conclusion. From the report in the papter, and even if he wasn't a pro athelete, a judge could have thrown it out based on what he saw on the tape.

Truth is, without seeing the tape it is hard to say whether or not this judge cut Taylor slack.

JoeRedskin · 01-06-2005, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Skins fan 44

Regardless of if he was drunk or not, by refusing to take the breathlizer or blood test should be enough to be found guilty, but then you throw in the lawers and get him out of it. Our justice system at it finest.

Taylor does get penalized for failing to take the test; his driver's license - a state granted privilege to drive - was automatically suspended. Same as you and me. BUT, just like you and me, Mr. Taylor cannot be forced to give evidence against himself in a CRIMINAL DWI proceeding.

Personally, I take that whole "beyond a reasonable doubt" and not allowing the state to force me to give evidence against myself pretty seriously. Yes, it makes it harder to prove guilt but our system is pretty much designed around the principle that it is better to let 99 guilty people go than to imprison one innocent person. Being a generally innocent person - I find that reassuring.

Further, as I said earlier, and from what I read, it is quite likely that anyone (high priced lawyers or no) could have been found not guilty based on what the judge saw on the tape.

JoeRedskin · 01-06-2005, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

You can't take cops advice, most of them lie to get their way. If he didn't know what to do take it to court.

Daseal, while generally agree with your post, I find this remark really offensive. My experience with police officers (and I have dealt with a lot of them over time) is that, in general, they take their job and their oath seriously. As in any profession, their are some bad apples who ruin it for the rest and, undoubtedly, you can point to both personal and famous examples to contrary (at least I would hope you could point to some person experience- otherwise your statement is just ignorant in addition to being offensive). But, the vast majority of law enforcement officers (90-95% of the couple hundred wiith whom I have dealt) are honest, stick to the book types.

True - If they believe you have committed a crime, a cop will not give you a road map on how to get out of it. Will they work to the limits of the law to get incriminating evidence against you? Yup - that's part of their job. But, in doing so, they don't "lie to get their way".

Daseal · 01-06-2005, 08:51 AM

JoeRedskin: I've seen too many friends get caught from an officer lying. They like to saying they have confessions they don't, etc. Are all of them evil? Not at all, just don't take their advice if you're in trouble for a hill of beans. Maybe not most of them, but quite a few I've seen, at least in this area (which isn't exactly the best area to grab them from.)

MTK · 01-06-2005, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Funniest thing in the WP article is how LC said he was watching ST closely at the party cuz he suspected Taylor was bonking the same woman as LC.

so much for team chemistry LOL

01-05-2005, 08:21 PM	#23
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	For me to do it backwards I can go Z, Y, X then I have to start at A, go all the way up and see what the next letter would be, and just keep doing that. It would take like 5 mintues. __________________ #21

01-05-2005, 09:35 PM	#24
Skins fan 44 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brazil, IN Age: 54 Posts: 883	A....B....E....G....C.... Hell I have not said the alphabet in a while myself. Too difficult for me. Regardless of if he was drunk or not, by refusing to take the breathlizer or blood test should be enough to be found guilty, but then you throw in the lawers and get him out of it. Our justice system at it finest. __________________ HTTR!

01-05-2005, 06:54 PM	#16
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	a) The alphabet test is bullshit. I'm one of those people that has to progress from A-Z and I have trouble picking up in the middle or going backwards. Any of that is extremely difficult for me sober. Too me he sounded sober. Also - who doesn't leave a club smelling like alcohol? It's everywhere, people spill it on you, etc. He sounded like he got the right call. DUI's are slapped on people in this country that shouldn't be. My favorite is the guy who got a DUI asleep in his back seat because he turned the heat on to stay warm.

01-05-2005, 08:04 PM	#19
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	"The alphabet test, to me, is kind of confusing," McClain said. "I don't think anybody's asked Mr. Taylor to say the alphabet since fourth grade." Now that's funny. I can understand if they asked him to recite it backwards but come on, you simply don't forget the alphabet.

01-05-2005, 08:13 PM	#20
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Saden: It depends on what the officer asks. Some ask you from Z-A, some ask you to pick up. All of them ask you to go backwards. I can't go backwards, can you?

01-06-2005, 12:50 AM	#25
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Skins_fan: How many times do you hear "don't do anything without a lawyer" this is a bigtime name and he was probably confused. You can't take cops advice, most of them lie to get their way. If he didn't know what to do take it to court. Step 1: Never give a cop the right to search or otherwise even do anything to you that he doesn't have a warrent for. Ignorance isn't an excuse, but it's better than saying something stupid that gets misconstrued. From a legal standpoint he probably did the right thing.

01-06-2005, 03:37 AM	#26
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Bottom line - it was the judge's call and based on the report in the paper, it looked like a reasonable person could have (but not neccearily) reached the same conclusion. From the report in the papter, and even if he wasn't a pro athelete, a judge could have thrown it out based on what he saw on the tape. Truth is, without seeing the tape it is hard to say whether or not this judge cut Taylor slack.

01-06-2005, 08:51 AM	#29
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	JoeRedskin: I've seen too many friends get caught from an officer lying. They like to saying they have confessions they don't, etc. Are all of them evil? Not at all, just don't take their advice if you're in trouble for a hill of beans. Maybe not most of them, but quite a few I've seen, at least in this area (which isn't exactly the best area to grab them from.)

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