Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet

mlmdub130 · 03-12-2012, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Besides, I didn't want a mass spending spree anyway. I want a big name WR and some safety help, that's about it. Otherwise, I want Allen and Shanahan to continue building talent through the draft.

Trying to transform the team with an overnight spending spree is how we've gotten into trouble in years past. I think the media overstates Shanahan's need to produce a winner in the third year of his contract, I think Snyder still has his back even if he goes 6-10 this year.

But honestly, I think winning record is more than attainable just through the addition of Robert Griffin, the rest of the draft class, a big name WR, and most importantly - HEALTH.

A spending spree just isn't wise, anyway. Philadelphia Eagles circa 2011, anyone?

could not agree more with this statment.

thanks for the op, very helpful, and i agree on 99% of your moves as well

CapitalDefense · 03-12-2012, 08:26 PM

We will never be in "Cap hell " danny can buy his way out of anything, taking 18 million away would only derail there plans for a couple of years. Actually shanny has done a nice job not going overboard with high priced guys since he got here.

Schneed10 · 03-12-2012, 08:32 PM

Well Allen is now saying there's been no written communication regarding such a penalty. Makes me wonder if there's been any verbal communication.

But it sounds like Allen is ready for business as usual in free agency. We'll see where this goes...

cpayne5 · 03-12-2012, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Well Allen is now saying there's been no written communication regarding such a penalty. Makes me wonder if there's been any verbal communication.

But it sounds like Allen is ready for business as usual in free agency. We'll see where this goes...

They probably overnight FedEx'd it. That's how the send suspension and fine notices to players, I believe. Such crap by the league, if true; 24 hours before free agency.

KI Skins Fan · 03-13-2012, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

They probably overnight FedEx'd it. That's how the send suspension and fine notices to players, I believe. Such crap by the league, if true; 24 hours before free agency.

If you're right about the overnight Fedex, then that would mean that the Skins and Cowboys will be notified that they have been penalized sometime on the same day that FA starts. What a mean-spirited kick in the teeth that is!

Well, Roger Goodell and the owners who pushed for these penalties have picked a fight with two men and two franchises who are formidable enough when they stand alone. Now, it looks like the Skins and the Cowboys are going to fight this together.

For one thing, I don't believe for a second that there weren't a number of deals made during the uncapped year by teams other than the four teams that were penalized that violated the so-called "gentlemen's agreement" but were conveniently overlooked. Not only is the timing of these penalties unfair but I think that the penalties may have been selectively assessed against the "worst" offenders.

Another thing that this action does is to highlight possible collusion among NFL owners. That's because the NFL is apparently trying to punish franchises that did not collude with the others. Congress might be interested in that.

If the NFL doesn't back off, I think that blood will flow before this is over.

NYCskinfan82 · 03-12-2012, 09:44 PM

Good stuff thanks for talking me down of the ledge.

mooby · 03-12-2012, 10:08 PM

Nice to see cooler heads prevailing on here. Great update Schneed, and thanks for clarifying everything in an easy to read manner.

alpineONE · 03-12-2012, 10:18 PM

I still feel sick

Dirtbag59 · 03-13-2012, 03:19 PM

Why no Trent Williams restructure. From what I can see he's on the books for $12 million with a $1 million release fee. Thats an awful lot of base salary that could be converted into a bonus.

mooby · 03-13-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Why no Trent Williams restructure. From what I can see he's on the books for $12 million with a $1 million release fee. Thats an awful lot of base salary that could be converted into a bonus.

Excellent question. They should definitely explore that option, especially with his questionable future and all.

Schneed10 · 03-13-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Why no Trent Williams restructure. From what I can see he's on the books for $12 million with a $1 million release fee. Thats an awful lot of base salary that could be converted into a bonus.

Terrific point, I just missed that one as I went through. Restructuring that would provide a fair amount of relief.

12thMan · 03-13-2012, 03:34 PM

Schneed, on Monty's deal -- there was no signing bonus involved with his new contract, 4 years/ $12mil. So it'll be interesting to see if they restructure and now offer him some guaranteed money?

Schneed10 · 03-13-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Schneed, on Monty's deal -- there was no signing bonus involved with his new contract, 4 years/ $12mil. So it'll be interesting to see if they restructure and now offer him some guaranteed money?

Exactly, it would just involve converting the non-guaranteed money due to him this year (salary or roster bonus) into a guaranteed signing bonus.

CrazyCanuck · 03-13-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Exactly, it would just involve converting the non-guaranteed money due to him this year (salary or roster bonus) into a guaranteed signing bonus.

Ya they could change the 2012 roster bonus ($2.75M) to signing bonus and push 3/4 of it to the future.

12thMan · 03-13-2012, 03:59 PM

It seems the point of a non-guaranteed bonus was to give the organization flexibility to release Monty without impacting the cap much. Now, if your theory holds true, he's probably more inclined to stick around, that, or we're not going to spend big bucks trying to upgrade at center.

FWIW, I'm fine with Monty starting at center.

03-12-2012, 08:26 PM	#2
CapitalDefense Registered User Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 325	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet We will never be in "Cap hell " danny can buy his way out of anything, taking 18 million away would only derail there plans for a couple of years. Actually shanny has done a nice job not going overboard with high priced guys since he got here.

03-12-2012, 08:32 PM	#3
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet Well Allen is now saying there's been no written communication regarding such a penalty. Makes me wonder if there's been any verbal communication. But it sounds like Allen is ready for business as usual in free agency. We'll see where this goes... __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

03-12-2012, 09:44 PM	#6
NYCskinfan82 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Queens, NYC Age: 56 Posts: 3,803	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet Good stuff thanks for talking me down of the ledge.

03-12-2012, 10:08 PM	#7
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,596	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet Nice to see cooler heads prevailing on here. Great update Schneed, and thanks for clarifying everything in an easy to read manner. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

03-12-2012, 10:18 PM	#8
alpineONE Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 19	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet I still feel sick

03-13-2012, 03:19 PM	#9
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 40 Posts: 14,750	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet Why no Trent Williams restructure. From what I can see he's on the books for $12 million with a $1 million release fee. Thats an awful lot of base salary that could be converted into a bonus. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

03-13-2012, 03:34 PM	#12
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet Schneed, on Monty's deal -- there was no signing bonus involved with his new contract, 4 years/ $12mil. So it'll be interesting to see if they restructure and now offer him some guaranteed money?

03-13-2012, 03:59 PM	#15
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Cap Analysis - Chill It, Skillet It seems the point of a non-guaranteed bonus was to give the organization flexibility to release Monty without impacting the cap much. Now, if your theory holds true, he's probably more inclined to stick around, that, or we're not going to spend big bucks trying to upgrade at center. FWIW, I'm fine with Monty starting at center.

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