2012 Draft Grades: Post Here

CultBrennan59 · 04-30-2012, 01:44 PM

I've said it before but..

C+

We had an A, until we picked an unknown guard who was considered a reach in the 3rd, and drafted a backup QB in the fourth. I know Kirk Cousins was so good and was a 3 time captain and 4 year starter blah blah blah. But like people have said we don't exactly have the best pick situation for the next 2 years. And a LOT can happen in two years. I know we can "Matt Cassel" Cousins and get picks for him, but realistically we need those picks IMO sooner, rather than later. And I don't see those picks coming next year. Even the year after I don't see it. Sure we have a young backup to Griffin incase he gets hurt. But remember this skins fans, Rex Grossman knows this system better than Griffin and Cousins combined, so if RG3 goes down, it won't be Cousins in, it will be Sexy Rexy. We could do a situation like what Gibbs (or was it Zorn?) did a few years ago, where he said If QB1 goes down in the game then QB2 goes in; but if QB1 is still out for next week then QB3 will go in if QB3 has learned all his stuff and is prepared prior to the next weeks game. I feel like Gibbs did this with Brunell Campbell and Collins but I'm not 100% sure.

I'm like Mayock, I see both sides to having and not having Cousins, but after all is said and done, it wasn't worth it. (Hell Kellen moore could have been had as an undrafted FA)

Another thing I was going to bring up about our draft is the fact that we drafted about 4 people I've never heard of in my life. Rarely is that a good thing. I thought it was a joke when one of the fans said we drafted Josh LeRibeus. Sure he's a guard and at SMU so he didn't get much attention, but you can not tell me that Bobby Massie is worse than him. Then on top of that is Jordan Bernstein. I've seen 3 Iowa games the past 2 years, never heard his name. And he's at a position where your name is called. That was a wasted pick. I will be SHOCKED if he makes the final roster. Then theres the SMU CB (what is it with SMU kids anyway?) Richard Crawford I believe is his name. Why the hell did we draft him when Dennard was still available? I know Dennard was arrested, but its not like he's going to jail for years, and his upside is much better than crawfords. And Keenan Robinson. Everywhere I look and read it says that he is strictly a 4-3 WLB. I went to look at his highlights, and I feel like we could have drafted another ILB, because Keenan, who is great in passing situations, is not good in run situations. I watched his games against OU, Baylor and A&M. The dude will do several different things. He'll either A) throw his arm out last minute and attempt to trip up the RB, which rarely worked B) dip his head down and hope that the RB got tackled, which again rarely worked (whiffing at the tackle) C) decide that this is the time he wants to go full speed for a hit, and shoot up the wrong hole Or just flat out miss. He needs to bulk up because he looks like Gumby trying to go through traffic, and he gets pushed around by guards fairly easily. I really don't think that being mentored by fletcher will make his tackling problems go away. If you don't want to hit a college RB head on, why would you just want to hit an NFL RB head on? He was a name though, which is typically a good thing when drafting players, but I don't see this guy sticking for a year 3 here.
However with the bad drafting comes the solid UDFA signings which we made up for the last half of our draft. As always I will be looking back on this draft and looking at what names I wrote down for draft day I wanted the skins to pick, and see how they far two years from now to see if I was right or not (ex: Desean jackson instead of Devin Thomas)

skinsfan69 · 04-30-2012, 02:19 PM

Yeah this is kind of silly. But I swear, Ozzie Newsome has got to be one of the best in the business. Trades out of the first round to get an extra pick and still got Upshaw. Upshaw should walk right in and start opposite of Suggs.

REDSKINS4ever · 05-01-2012, 06:24 AM

I'm happy with the Redskins draft. The front office touched on just about every need that needed filling. Besides the selections of RG3 and Cousins, I like the added offensive linemen.

SmootSmack · 05-01-2012, 07:54 AM

I was going to give this class a B/B +...but I'm lowering to it an F - - now that I know we drafted people CultBrennan59 had never even heard of

KI Skins Fan · 05-01-2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I was going to give this class a B/B +...but I'm lowering to it an F - - now that I know we drafted people CultBrennan59 had never even heard of

I actually feel good about the Skins drafting players I never heard of before the draft. To me, that says they've done their homework. If they only drafted the players I wanted them to draft, who knows what kind of people those players might be or how well they would fit with what the Skins want to do.

DynamiteRave · 05-01-2012, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I was going to give this class a B/B +...but I'm lowering to it an F - - now that I know we drafted people CultBrennan59 had never even heard of

You've been full of snark since draft day haven't you? lol

I'd grade draft day a B. Because we drafted people. Isn't that half the battle? It's kind of like the SATs, if you can spell your name right, you're already winning.

Hog1 · 05-01-2012, 08:32 AM

I was leaning A-.....but with rumored Bentley shopping, I may have to re-evaluate...sad.

mooby · 05-01-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

I was leaning A-.....but with rumored Bentley shopping, I may have to re-evaluate...sad.

Exactly. This news about his fiancee buying a Bentley is deeply upsetting. Pretty soon he's going to be hanging out at coke-and-sex parties, and starting fights at clubs over some guy looking at his girl. It's clear he's too immature for the NFL, and that's why I'm grading this draft an F. We definitely should've taken Tannehill 2nd overall.

diehardskin2982 · 05-01-2012, 09:58 AM

LOL Zing!Hog 1
I give the skins a A. One thing I respect about the Shanahans is they make football moves regardless of what others may think.

The Skins now have quality depth at all positions. I didn't want them to go chasing after a RT because I wanted them to further develop Polumbus and Smith.
I also wanted all the players that we obtained last year to grow and progress in the playbook on both sides of the ball. RGIII, Bentley or not is a "create-a-player" for this offense. His natural strengths will only be enhanced in the Shanny offense. Cousins is an excellent insurance plan. If we are able to pick up Phillip Thomas as an UDFA, I will look back at this draft with fond memories.

Lotus · 05-01-2012, 10:23 AM

Our draft should be graded F. We could have drafted a punter in the third but we let him slip away to Jacksonville.

Mechanix544 · 05-01-2012, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

Our draft should be graded F. We could have drafted a punter in the third but we let him slip away to Jacksonville.

bah dum chhhhhhhhhhh.

NC_Skins · 05-01-2012, 12:13 PM

I'll play along since we've got a long ways till the start of the new season. There are a few drafts I want to cover with some of them being puzzling. Not going to give a grade as much as I want to comment on some picks.

Seahawks:

-I find it funny the night (and day after) of the draft, you had a bunch of pundits and reporters criticize the Hawks on the drafting of Bruce Irvin.

NFL.com news: Jets cursed out Seahawks for drafting Bruce Irvin

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After they took Irvin 15th overall, the Seahawks received a call from New York Jets headquarters. The Jets "good-naturedly" cursed at the Seahawks for taking the guy they planned to draft one pick later, according Len Pasquarelli of the SportsXchange. Irvin also was believed to be on the short list of candidates to be drafted in Chicago, Green Bay and San Francisco. One general manager called Irvin the "hottest player in the draft."

Browns:

-I had no problem with their move up one spot to secure Trent Richardson, but their pick of Weedon at the 22nd spot was a bit mind boggling. Not sure why they didn't just wait and pick him up with their 2nd round pick. Lions, Steelers, Patriots, Bucs, Vikings, 49ers, Texans, Bengals, Packers, Rams, or Colts didn't need a QB and would have not drafted a QB with those picks between the 22nd in the first to the #37 in the 2nd round. Hell, nobody even remotely near those teams were in a need of a QB because they either had quality starting QBs or they drafted one this year (or prior).

Didn't get the move and thought it was puzzling.

Redskins:

-Happy we addressed our QB position and filled in some starting/depth issues at the OL. I think this was a huge problem for us last year when a few of our guys went down early on. I love the fact we have another QB they think highly of and will be grooming him to be our future backup. Hopefully he'll pan out and we can flip that pick into a future 1st or 2nd rounder.

Hog1 · 05-01-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

LOL Zing!Hog 1
I give the skins a A. One thing I respect about the Shanahans is they make football moves regardless of what others may think.

The Skins now have quality depth at all positions. I didn't want them to go chasing after a RT because I wanted them to further develop Polumbus and Smith.
I also wanted all the players that we obtained last year to grow and progress in the playbook on both sides of the ball. RGIII, Bentley or not is a "create-a-player" for this offense. His natural strengths will only be enhanced in the Shanny offense. Cousins is an excellent insurance plan. If we are able to pick up Phillip Thomas as an UDFA, I will look back at this draft with fond memories.

You know, you make a good point. The player I am confident he will become will directly change the face of the Offense and make the existing players much better simply because of his ability to use them. AND he will by extension make the Defense significantly better with less minutes on the field, playing with a lead....etc

REDSKINS4ever · 05-01-2012, 11:26 AM

I liked all of the Redskins draft selections. They got significant assistance for the offensive line and the starting and back up quarterback positions were upgraded as well. I like the middle linebacker addition to go along with the running back selection. And the defensive back draftees were sold choices as well.

SirClintonPortis · 05-01-2012, 06:50 PM

Well, since I am the resident draft hermit here, can someone fill me in on why people are showing heartache over not picking Massie?
This Massie guy had worse Combine results for the 20-yard shuttle and 3-cone drill than Tom Compton, and it's not even close ....

04-30-2012, 01:44 PM	#1
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: 2012 Draft Grades: Post Here I've said it before but.. C+ We had an A, until we picked an unknown guard who was considered a reach in the 3rd, and drafted a backup QB in the fourth. I know Kirk Cousins was so good and was a 3 time captain and 4 year starter blah blah blah. But like people have said we don't exactly have the best pick situation for the next 2 years. And a LOT can happen in two years. I know we can "Matt Cassel" Cousins and get picks for him, but realistically we need those picks IMO sooner, rather than later. And I don't see those picks coming next year. Even the year after I don't see it. Sure we have a young backup to Griffin incase he gets hurt. But remember this skins fans, Rex Grossman knows this system better than Griffin and Cousins combined, so if RG3 goes down, it won't be Cousins in, it will be Sexy Rexy. We could do a situation like what Gibbs (or was it Zorn?) did a few years ago, where he said If QB1 goes down in the game then QB2 goes in; but if QB1 is still out for next week then QB3 will go in if QB3 has learned all his stuff and is prepared prior to the next weeks game. I feel like Gibbs did this with Brunell Campbell and Collins but I'm not 100% sure. I'm like Mayock, I see both sides to having and not having Cousins, but after all is said and done, it wasn't worth it. (Hell Kellen moore could have been had as an undrafted FA) Another thing I was going to bring up about our draft is the fact that we drafted about 4 people I've never heard of in my life. Rarely is that a good thing. I thought it was a joke when one of the fans said we drafted Josh LeRibeus. Sure he's a guard and at SMU so he didn't get much attention, but you can not tell me that Bobby Massie is worse than him. Then on top of that is Jordan Bernstein. I've seen 3 Iowa games the past 2 years, never heard his name. And he's at a position where your name is called. That was a wasted pick. I will be SHOCKED if he makes the final roster. Then theres the SMU CB (what is it with SMU kids anyway?) Richard Crawford I believe is his name. Why the hell did we draft him when Dennard was still available? I know Dennard was arrested, but its not like he's going to jail for years, and his upside is much better than crawfords. And Keenan Robinson. Everywhere I look and read it says that he is strictly a 4-3 WLB. I went to look at his highlights, and I feel like we could have drafted another ILB, because Keenan, who is great in passing situations, is not good in run situations. I watched his games against OU, Baylor and A&M. The dude will do several different things. He'll either A) throw his arm out last minute and attempt to trip up the RB, which rarely worked B) dip his head down and hope that the RB got tackled, which again rarely worked (whiffing at the tackle) C) decide that this is the time he wants to go full speed for a hit, and shoot up the wrong hole Or just flat out miss. He needs to bulk up because he looks like Gumby trying to go through traffic, and he gets pushed around by guards fairly easily. I really don't think that being mentored by fletcher will make his tackling problems go away. If you don't want to hit a college RB head on, why would you just want to hit an NFL RB head on? He was a name though, which is typically a good thing when drafting players, but I don't see this guy sticking for a year 3 here. However with the bad drafting comes the solid UDFA signings which we made up for the last half of our draft. As always I will be looking back on this draft and looking at what names I wrote down for draft day I wanted the skins to pick, and see how they far two years from now to see if I was right or not (ex: Desean jackson instead of Devin Thomas) __________________ "Anyones better than Madieu Williams"

04-30-2012, 02:19 PM	#2
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,584	Re: 2012 Draft Grades: Post Here Yeah this is kind of silly. But I swear, Ozzie Newsome has got to be one of the best in the business. Trades out of the first round to get an extra pick and still got Upshaw. Upshaw should walk right in and start opposite of Suggs.

05-01-2012, 07:54 AM	#4
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: 2012 Draft Grades: Post Here I was going to give this class a B/B +...but I'm lowering to it an F - - now that I know we drafted people CultBrennan59 had never even heard of __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

05-01-2012, 08:32 AM	#7
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: 2012 Draft Grades: Post Here I was leaning A-.....but with rumored Bentley shopping, I may have to re-evaluate...sad. __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

05-01-2012, 09:58 AM	#9
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: 2012 Draft Grades: Post Here LOL Zing!Hog 1 I give the skins a A. One thing I respect about the Shanahans is they make football moves regardless of what others may think. The Skins now have quality depth at all positions. I didn't want them to go chasing after a RT because I wanted them to further develop Polumbus and Smith. I also wanted all the players that we obtained last year to grow and progress in the playbook on both sides of the ball. RGIII, Bentley or not is a "create-a-player" for this offense. His natural strengths will only be enhanced in the Shanny offense. Cousins is an excellent insurance plan. If we are able to pick up Phillip Thomas as an UDFA, I will look back at this draft with fond memories. __________________ That got ugly fast

05-01-2012, 06:24 AM	#3
REDSKINS4ever Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 4,117	Re: 2012 Draft Grades: Post Here I'm happy with the Redskins draft. The front office touched on just about every need that needed filling. Besides the selections of RG3 and Cousins, I like the added offensive linemen.

05-01-2012, 10:23 AM	#10
Lotus Fire Bruce NOW Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 11,434	Re: 2012 Draft Grades: Post Here Our draft should be graded F. We could have drafted a punter in the third but we let him slip away to Jacksonville. __________________ Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250) Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350) Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444) Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430) We won more with Vinny

05-01-2012, 11:26 AM	#14
REDSKINS4ever Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 4,117	Re: 2012 Draft Grades: Post Here I liked all of the Redskins draft selections. They got significant assistance for the offensive line and the starting and back up quarterback positions were upgraded as well. I like the middle linebacker addition to go along with the running back selection. And the defensive back draftees were sold choices as well.

05-01-2012, 06:50 PM	#15
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: 2012 Draft Grades: Post Here Well, since I am the resident draft hermit here, can someone fill me in on why people are showing heartache over not picking Massie? This Massie guy had worse Combine results for the 20-yard shuttle and 3-cone drill than Tom Compton, and it's not even close .... __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

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