1st and goal

CRT3 · 02-23-2005, 03:54 PM

I think this is a great question, somthing all my buddies and I talk about during the season. We need a smashmouth fullback,halfback ala Sam Bam Cunningham. Bettis would work but I think he will be resigned in the offseason by the Steel boys. Need a guy that is use to holding the ball as a fumble could be real pivotal. Thats why they throw to most of these guys so that they risk of losing the ball is taken away. This is Buges and the boys and smashmouth is there game. Good motivation for the O line to move 2-3 yards.

CRT3 · 02-23-2005, 03:57 PM

The guy from West Virginia comes to mind except I forgot his name. Big and strong and would fit the bill perfectly

BossHog · 02-23-2005, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CRT3

I think this is a great question, somthing all my buddies and I talk about during the season. We need a smashmouth fullback,halfback ala Sam Bam Cunningham.

You're right guys, but being in the situation we're in, don't we have to work with what we have?

BossHog · 02-23-2005, 03:29 PM

And his hands are better than 98% of WRs and TEs in the league right? No coach in the history of the NFL would entertain this nonsense.

Monksdown · 02-23-2005, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BossHog

And his hands are better than 98% of WRs and TEs in the league right? No coach in the history of the NFL would entertain this nonsense.

The only coaches that would entertain this "nonsense" win superbowls. Like Chicago with the fridge. Tampa Bay with Sapp. And oh yeah, didnt a defensive player score a touchdown on offense this super bowl. And wasn't the game only won by 3 points. Good try.

BossHog · 02-23-2005, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Monksdown

The only coaches that would entertain this "nonsense" win superbowls. Like Chicago with the fridge. Tampa Bay with Sapp. And oh yeah, didnt a defensive player score a touchdown on offense this super bowl. And wasn't the game only won by 3 points. Good try.

The Fridge, Warren Sapp, and Vrabel weren't 6'3 230lbs and ran a sub 4.40. Now could you have any of these guys man up on a WR? That's what at stake here. A football player is a football player and the line of what positions are played is blurred often. When and where you draw the line is pretty obvious?

Monksdown · 02-23-2005, 04:06 PM

Are you sure that the fridge wasnt 230 lbs? No listen, im not totally quacked out of my mind. I just like the idea of throwing in some wrinkles in the red zone, whatever they may be. I would prefer to use offensive talent, but where is that talent? Cooley? I think it's time we looked into a tight end. I hear uva has a good one coming out this year. Is it Heath something or other?

BossHog · 02-23-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Monksdown

Are you sure that the fridge wasnt 230 lbs? No listen, im not totally quacked out of my mind. I just like the idea of throwing in some wrinkles in the red zone, whatever they may be. I would prefer to use offensive talent, but where is that talent? Cooley? I think it's time we looked into a tight end. I hear uva has a good one coming out this year. Is it Heath something or other?

You're not saying Cooley isn't offensive talent. Cooley should've been a pro bowl alternate. Don't imply that I'm saying that he was the 'best' TE last year. But his numbers are more than respectable. Heath Miller from UVA would be a great pick at #9 for us only if other WRs we have high on our list are gone and the rest are 'ranked' no higher than Miller.

Daseal · 02-23-2005, 03:34 PM

Bosshog - when I acheive my dream of coaching the Cardinals (low expectations) you'll be my first call! We'll show them!

Monksdown · 02-23-2005, 03:41 PM

And im sure that the two of you would turn around that storied franchise with your conservative offense.

dirtbag2112 · 02-23-2005, 04:29 PM

Thats kinda my whole point.

e16bball · 02-23-2005, 06:08 PM

The kid from WVU is Kay Jay Harris...

A great fit through the draft is Eric Shelton from Louisville, although he would only be available possibly in the 3rd. Hes 250 lbs. and he actually is pretty damn quick for that size.

A later round possibility is a guy named Brandon Jacobs from Southern Illinois. He doesnt get much pub b/c he is from a I-AA school, but he started off at Auburn behind Cadillac and Ronnie Brown. He's very similar to Shelton, except he has showed impressive speed, and would be a great steal in the 4th IMO.

We could also look at Jonathan Wells from the Texans in FA. He is another big ol' back with some pop when he runs. He is a RFA, and would require a 4th rounder from us, but it would possibly be worth it. I don't know if he would want to sign just to be a goal-line back, however.

Heath Miller is a good player, but not at number 9. If we traded down into the late teens, then I could see possibly drafting him, but he just isnt worth that pick. I know that 9 would at least be the 2nd highest recently that a TE has been drafted (Winslow) and he isnt in that same league. He's not a very good blocker and he lacks the speed to be truly dominant as a receiver (a la Gonzalez, Heap, Shockey to an extent). He is a nice pickup, but not in the top 10.

Also, what's wrong with Robert Royal? I mean I understand that he hasnt really played a major role in helping us to "matriculate the ball down the field" but he has been more than solid in the red zone, which I thought was the topic at hand. He had 4 TDs toward the end of the year, and showed some good hands and some determination in getting to the end zone.

This is, of course, where a guy like Mike Williams or Braylon Edwards is so important. Against a smashmouth running team like us, teams will stack the box with 9 at the goal line and leave corners on an island. There is really only one corner in the league, Mathis from the Jaguars, who I would think even stands a chance in a jump-ball with Big Mike, and thats only because hes 6'4" and has really solid ball skills.

CRT3 · 02-23-2005, 06:12 PM

excellent Post

monk81 · 02-23-2005, 08:04 PM

Our red zone play calling was TERRIBLE.....I'd like to see anything that would help us get the ball in the end zone more.....running through the middle 3 times in a row just didn't do it..............

TheMalcolmConnection · 02-23-2005, 10:32 PM

I'm just going to try and keep my mouth shut. I'm not feeling the "sky is falling" quite yet, but I'm still optimistic going into next year.

Yes, I'm pissed about Coles and others on the team, but maybe we're trimming the cancer from the team and showing the players who they PLAY for and that we won't deal with prima donna bullshit.

Also, about Clinton Portis... if we would throw him the ball more he would be like a GOOD version of Brian Westbrook.

02-23-2005, 03:54 PM	#1
CRT3 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Rockville Age: 63 Posts: 795	Re: 1st and goal I think this is a great question, somthing all my buddies and I talk about during the season. We need a smashmouth fullback,halfback ala Sam Bam Cunningham. Bettis would work but I think he will be resigned in the offseason by the Steel boys. Need a guy that is use to holding the ball as a fumble could be real pivotal. Thats why they throw to most of these guys so that they risk of losing the ball is taken away. This is Buges and the boys and smashmouth is there game. Good motivation for the O line to move 2-3 yards. __________________ 16-0 for 2007

02-23-2005, 03:57 PM	#2
CRT3 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Rockville Age: 63 Posts: 795	Re: 1st and goal The guy from West Virginia comes to mind except I forgot his name. Big and strong and would fit the bill perfectly __________________ 16-0 for 2007

02-23-2005, 03:29 PM	#4
BossHog Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Norfolk, Va Posts: 665	Re: 1st and goal And his hands are better than 98% of WRs and TEs in the league right? No coach in the history of the NFL would entertain this nonsense.

02-23-2005, 04:06 PM	#7
Monksdown The Starter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrenton, Virginia Age: 45 Posts: 1,515	Re: 1st and goal Are you sure that the fridge wasnt 230 lbs? No listen, im not totally quacked out of my mind. I just like the idea of throwing in some wrinkles in the red zone, whatever they may be. I would prefer to use offensive talent, but where is that talent? Cooley? I think it's time we looked into a tight end. I hear uva has a good one coming out this year. Is it Heath something or other?

02-23-2005, 03:41 PM	#10
Monksdown The Starter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrenton, Virginia Age: 45 Posts: 1,515	Re: 1st and goal And im sure that the two of you would turn around that storied franchise with your conservative offense.

02-23-2005, 03:34 PM	#9
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	Re: 1st and goal Bosshog - when I acheive my dream of coaching the Cardinals (low expectations) you'll be my first call! We'll show them!

02-23-2005, 04:29 PM	#11
dirtbag2112 Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 293	Re: 1st and goal Thats kinda my whole point.

02-23-2005, 06:08 PM	#12
e16bball Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 163	Re: 1st and goal The kid from WVU is Kay Jay Harris... A great fit through the draft is Eric Shelton from Louisville, although he would only be available possibly in the 3rd. Hes 250 lbs. and he actually is pretty damn quick for that size. A later round possibility is a guy named Brandon Jacobs from Southern Illinois. He doesnt get much pub b/c he is from a I-AA school, but he started off at Auburn behind Cadillac and Ronnie Brown. He's very similar to Shelton, except he has showed impressive speed, and would be a great steal in the 4th IMO. We could also look at Jonathan Wells from the Texans in FA. He is another big ol' back with some pop when he runs. He is a RFA, and would require a 4th rounder from us, but it would possibly be worth it. I don't know if he would want to sign just to be a goal-line back, however. Heath Miller is a good player, but not at number 9. If we traded down into the late teens, then I could see possibly drafting him, but he just isnt worth that pick. I know that 9 would at least be the 2nd highest recently that a TE has been drafted (Winslow) and he isnt in that same league. He's not a very good blocker and he lacks the speed to be truly dominant as a receiver (a la Gonzalez, Heap, Shockey to an extent). He is a nice pickup, but not in the top 10. Also, what's wrong with Robert Royal? I mean I understand that he hasnt really played a major role in helping us to "matriculate the ball down the field" but he has been more than solid in the red zone, which I thought was the topic at hand. He had 4 TDs toward the end of the year, and showed some good hands and some determination in getting to the end zone. This is, of course, where a guy like Mike Williams or Braylon Edwards is so important. Against a smashmouth running team like us, teams will stack the box with 9 at the goal line and leave corners on an island. There is really only one corner in the league, Mathis from the Jaguars, who I would think even stands a chance in a jump-ball with Big Mike, and thats only because hes 6'4" and has really solid ball skills.

02-23-2005, 06:12 PM	#13
CRT3 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Rockville Age: 63 Posts: 795	Re: 1st and goal excellent Post __________________ 16-0 for 2007

02-23-2005, 08:04 PM	#14
monk81 The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: TEXAS Posts: 2,029	Re: 1st and goal Our red zone play calling was TERRIBLE.....I'd like to see anything that would help us get the ball in the end zone more.....running through the middle 3 times in a row just didn't do it..............

02-23-2005, 10:32 PM	#15
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: 1st and goal I'm just going to try and keep my mouth shut. I'm not feeling the "sky is falling" quite yet, but I'm still optimistic going into next year. Yes, I'm pissed about Coles and others on the team, but maybe we're trimming the cancer from the team and showing the players who they PLAY for and that we won't deal with prima donna bullshit. Also, about Clinton Portis... if we would throw him the ball more he would be like a GOOD version of Brian Westbrook. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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