What about replacing Patrick Johnson

sportscurmudgeon · 03-23-2004, 02:28 PM

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joecrisp · 03-23-2004, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

He will be the #3 at best their right? Behind Johnson and Warrick. I dont think he wil really make an impact thier, just be a solid ST guy.

He will probably be competing with Kelley Washington, last year's draft pick, for the #3 spot. Washington caught 22 passes for 299 yards and 4 TDs in his rooke season last year, and he's supposed to be pretty talented, so Johnson may be #4.

offiss · 03-23-2004, 04:23 PM

The 1 thing that will alway's stick out in my mind about PJ is when he ran out of bounds on that kick return, I forget what team we were playing but all he had to beat was the kicker and he had him beat, and for what ever reason he ran out of bound's, as if he just decieded to quit on that play, he would have had a kick return for a TD and it was like he didn't care, I think we will be better off without him, let a guy with some heart get some playing time.

SmootSmack · 03-23-2004, 06:54 PM

Patrick Johnson was the one who fumbled a punt at the end against the Dolphins right? Imagine if he doesn't fumble, Skins win, they run off a string of vcitories, Spurrier stays, Gibbs is still hanging out in ATL with Arthur Blank....hell, we should give PJ a raise, that might turn out to be the best fumble in recent Redskins history

Yankskins · 03-23-2004, 07:13 PM

I agree. I don't think that PJ was an asset to the team at all, and getting rid of him wouldn't change much. I do think though that we NEED McCants because he is such a good 3rd or 4th reciever. He's big, athletic, and incredibly clutch. He's so extremely reliable in the endzone, which is important. I alo think we shouldn't waste our draft pick on a wide reciever, or sean taylor for that matter, but instead on Kenechi Udezi, the DE from USC. He will help us out immediatly in pass rush, and he shows a lot of potential. He is a quick and easy way to upgrade the D-Line.

AnonEmouse · 03-24-2004, 07:11 AM

When I posed the question, it was more of a 'we have Gardner, Coles, Jacobs as 1, 2 & 3 (depending on McCants), so do we replace Johnson via draft or FA?' question, than it was about worrying about his departure.

IMHO if we have a talented WR available when we pick in the 5th, someone who can be a solid backup at least, then we may be able to lose McCants and use the spare 5th for another need, rather than spending a lot of money (a la B Johnson) keeping a backup on the team.

Daseal · 03-24-2004, 08:14 AM

A quick and easy way to upgrade the D Line, but he won't make an impact this year. I'm not impressed by any of the D Linemen.

Yeah, he went to the Bengals, I don't know what I was thinking. Thanks for reminding me of that kickoff return, I was shocked when he ran out. In his defense we had quite a better picture of what he had left to do than he did.

dieselhog · 03-24-2004, 09:29 AM

I still think Russell may come through for the 4th of 5th slot and from what I hear Cloman certainly could.

sportscurmudgeon · 03-24-2004, 11:38 AM

dieselhog:

Cloman might develop into an NFL receiver. Joe Gibbs has been known to patiently develop players with raw talent. He won't play them while they are developing, but he keeps them around and lets them hone their skills and then plays them.

However, I am pessimistic about Cliff Russell. He has "Darrell Green speed" and that is why he has been kept around as long as he has; you can't teach people to run that fast. HOWEVER, he has the hands of the Venus de Milo. That was the knock on him coming out of college and if you happened to see him in training camp or in some pre-season games, you would come to the conclusion that he still has not learned how to catch a football reliably.

It's really nice to have a guy who is a "deep threat" and can run by the defenders. It is a whole lot better if that same guy can actually catch more than half the balls that hit him on the hands...

MTK · 03-24-2004, 11:52 AM

Cloman was impressive in camp last year and he could definitely be a darkhorse this year and win a spot on the team.

I think Russell will be cut, the guy is all speed and not much else. He was a Spurrier guy. Gibbs is interested in the intangibles a player brings, not 40 times.

AnonEmouse · 03-24-2004, 11:59 AM

As far as Russell goes, my question is how are his legs? If his knee is a weakness and his hands aren't that good, should we really waste a roster spot on him, if there are other WR's out there who can catch? I agree it's great to have a speedster, but if all he can do is run downfield and drop the ball, what's the point?

However, anyone know if he could be a possible conversion to DB? IF he can cover, and has such good speed, who cares if he can't catch?

offiss · 03-24-2004, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

As far as Russell goes, my question is how are his legs? If his knee is a weakness and his hands aren't that good, should we really waste a roster spot on him, if there are other WR's out there who can catch? I agree it's great to have a speedster, but if all he can do is run downfield and drop the ball, what's the point?

However, anyone know if he could be a possible conversion to DB? IF he can cover, and has such good speed, who cares if he can't catch?

You took the word's right out of my mouth, with the kind of speed he has and lack of WR skill's it probabaly wouldn't be a bad idea to take a look at him at DB.

Daseal · 03-24-2004, 02:42 PM

good point about changing him to a DB. I'm a little curious how his special team play was last year. I really like Cloman and would take him any day, but I think our coaches should maybe worth with Russell some.

SmootSmack · 03-24-2004, 04:42 PM

Is Justin Skaggs still around?

joecrisp · 03-24-2004, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by smootsmack

Is Justin Skaggs still around?

Nope. Skaggs was signed by the Bucs as a free agent.

03-23-2004, 02:28 PM	#16
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Vegas was GREAT. If I can figure out where the command line to start a new thread disappeared to, I'll post relevant future Super Bowl odds and comments from one sports book manager. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

03-23-2004, 06:54 PM	#19
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Patrick Johnson was the one who fumbled a punt at the end against the Dolphins right? Imagine if he doesn't fumble, Skins win, they run off a string of vcitories, Spurrier stays, Gibbs is still hanging out in ATL with Arthur Blank....hell, we should give PJ a raise, that might turn out to be the best fumble in recent Redskins history __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-24-2004, 11:38 AM	#24
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	dieselhog: Cloman might develop into an NFL receiver. Joe Gibbs has been known to patiently develop players with raw talent. He won't play them while they are developing, but he keeps them around and lets them hone their skills and then plays them. However, I am pessimistic about Cliff Russell. He has "Darrell Green speed" and that is why he has been kept around as long as he has; you can't teach people to run that fast. HOWEVER, he has the hands of the Venus de Milo. That was the knock on him coming out of college and if you happened to see him in training camp or in some pre-season games, you would come to the conclusion that he still has not learned how to catch a football reliably. It's really nice to have a guy who is a "deep threat" and can run by the defenders. It is a whole lot better if that same guy can actually catch more than half the balls that hit him on the hands... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

03-24-2004, 04:42 PM	#29
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Is Justin Skaggs still around? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-23-2004, 04:23 PM	#18
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	The 1 thing that will alway's stick out in my mind about PJ is when he ran out of bounds on that kick return, I forget what team we were playing but all he had to beat was the kicker and he had him beat, and for what ever reason he ran out of bound's, as if he just decieded to quit on that play, he would have had a kick return for a TD and it was like he didn't care, I think we will be better off without him, let a guy with some heart get some playing time.

03-23-2004, 07:13 PM	#20
Yankskins Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 38 Posts: 9	I agree. I don't think that PJ was an asset to the team at all, and getting rid of him wouldn't change much. I do think though that we NEED McCants because he is such a good 3rd or 4th reciever. He's big, athletic, and incredibly clutch. He's so extremely reliable in the endzone, which is important. I alo think we shouldn't waste our draft pick on a wide reciever, or sean taylor for that matter, but instead on Kenechi Udezi, the DE from USC. He will help us out immediatly in pass rush, and he shows a lot of potential. He is a quick and easy way to upgrade the D-Line.

03-24-2004, 07:11 AM	#21
AnonEmouse The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Age: 58 Posts: 2,441	When I posed the question, it was more of a 'we have Gardner, Coles, Jacobs as 1, 2 & 3 (depending on McCants), so do we replace Johnson via draft or FA?' question, than it was about worrying about his departure. IMHO if we have a talented WR available when we pick in the 5th, someone who can be a solid backup at least, then we may be able to lose McCants and use the spare 5th for another need, rather than spending a lot of money (a la B Johnson) keeping a backup on the team.

03-24-2004, 08:14 AM	#22
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	A quick and easy way to upgrade the D Line, but he won't make an impact this year. I'm not impressed by any of the D Linemen. Yeah, he went to the Bengals, I don't know what I was thinking. Thanks for reminding me of that kickoff return, I was shocked when he ran out. In his defense we had quite a better picture of what he had left to do than he did.

03-24-2004, 09:29 AM	#23
dieselhog Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bolton, Lancashire Age: 53 Posts: 166	I still think Russell may come through for the 4th of 5th slot and from what I hear Cloman certainly could.

03-24-2004, 11:52 AM	#25
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Cloman was impressive in camp last year and he could definitely be a darkhorse this year and win a spot on the team. I think Russell will be cut, the guy is all speed and not much else. He was a Spurrier guy. Gibbs is interested in the intangibles a player brings, not 40 times.

03-24-2004, 11:59 AM	#26
AnonEmouse The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Age: 58 Posts: 2,441	As far as Russell goes, my question is how are his legs? If his knee is a weakness and his hands aren't that good, should we really waste a roster spot on him, if there are other WR's out there who can catch? I agree it's great to have a speedster, but if all he can do is run downfield and drop the ball, what's the point? However, anyone know if he could be a possible conversion to DB? IF he can cover, and has such good speed, who cares if he can't catch?

03-24-2004, 02:42 PM	#28
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	good point about changing him to a DB. I'm a little curious how his special team play was last year. I really like Cloman and would take him any day, but I think our coaches should maybe worth with Russell some.

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