If Shanny's Not Your Man, Then What Is Your Plan?

[SBXVII]

Smoot,

Brian Schottenheimer I think would be a great prospect also, but I really wish Snyder would simply eat some crow and bring back Marty S. He had the team on the right track and got them to 8-8 his first year then got canned. But thats just me. Maybe he's too old also or maybe he could be the GM and his son would be HC. That way he could offer some tips and ideas in certain situations.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Greg Roman, the next Harbaugh.

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What do you think about Bill O'brien? He's doing an amazing job with Penn State. He's experience in the pros. Not sure he could get out of his contract but he'd be on my radar.

[SBXVII]

Oh and in the mean time I'd look at other teams practice squad Safeties and CB's and if there were enough I'd cut/fire all of ours and bring in brand new young talent. Atleast if mistakes were to be made I'd rather it be with a bunch of Rookies or newbies vs. a bunch of Vets that have no excuse for acting they way they are and making the mistakes they are.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Smoot,

Brian Schottenheimer I think would be a great prospect also, but I really wish Snyder would simply eat some crow and bring back Marty S. He had the team on the right track and got them to 8-8 his first year then got canned. But thats just me. Maybe he's too old also or maybe he could be the GM and his son would be HC. That way he could offer some tips and ideas in certain situations.

Marty and Snyder did talk briefly about joining back up again. Don't think it was too serious though. They get along great and maybe they just want to keep it that way

[mredskins]

Can anyone enlighten me to why Sean Payton would be available next year?

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Spinning off of the Should We Fire Mike Shanahan thread..

If you are one of the 'Fire Shanahan' proponents, what is your SPECIFIC plan to get this team back on the right path?

Who would you have picking personnel?
Who would you hire as head coach?
What offensive system would you want in place and who (OC) will run it?
What defensive system would you want in place and who (DC) will run it?
Who are your building block players for the systems you recommend?

Be detailed.

Where did you get the idea that if a fan advocates that Shanahan be replaced, that he should have a plan to fix everything after Shanahan is gone?

A fan doesn't need to have the answers in order to clearly see the problem. Shanahan has quit on the season and I, for one, don't want a quitter for a Head Coach. I know he tried to back off of his post game remarks but I don't believe he misspoke.

Also, he regularly blames his players while defending his coaches which apparently has caused some resentment among the players. Some players have been courageous enough to speak up about the intractability of Jim Haslett, in particular. Surely, there are more players who believe that they alone are being blamed for what is wrong with the team. If so, I'm sure they would view that as unfair to them. In short, I think that he has probably lost the locker room.

Not to mention that the fans need only look at Shanahan's win/loss record as the Head Coach of the Redskins to figure out that he hasn't exactly set the NFL on fire.

Personally, I'm just about done with Shanahan. As I said above, I don't think I need to know how to fix the Redskins in order to justify my having that opinion. If Dan Snyder decides that Shanahan should go, then it's his job to figure out what to do next.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Marty and Snyder did talk briefly about joining back up again. Don't think it was too serious though. They get along great and maybe they just want to keep it that way

I'll admit when Marty first came and all the talk about him being to much of a disciplinarian had me somewhat fooled also, but he did have the team playing well by mid season and penalties were down.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Can anyone enlighten me to why Sean Payton would be available next year?

Either his contract is up and there is no extention or due to his punishment the Commish has decided to not recind Payton's contract so the Saints wouldn't be bound by it if they wanted to go in a different direction because of the punishment.

I think.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Where did you ever get the idea that if a fan advocates that Shanahan be replaced, that he should have a plan to fix everything after Shanahan is gone?

A fan doesn't need to have the answers in order to clearly see the problem. Shanahan has quit on the season and I, for one, don't want a quitter for a Head Coach. I know he tried to back off of his post game remarks but I don't believe he misspoke.

Also, he regularly blames his players while defending his coaches which apparently has caused some resentment among the players. Some players have been courageous enough to speak up about the intractability of Jim Haslett, in particular. Surely, there are more players who believe that they alone are being blamed for what is wrong with the team. If so, I'm sure they would view that as unfair to them. In short, I think that he has probably lost the locker room.

Not to mention that the fans need only look at Shanahan's win/loss record as the Head Coach of the Redskins to figure out that he hasn't exactly set the NFL on fire.

Personally, I'm just about done with Shanahan. As I said above, I don't think I need to know how to fix the Redskins in order to justify my having that opinion. If Dan Snyder decides that Shanahan should go, then it's his job to figure out what to do next.

Sensitive much? I just figured if you think option A is so bad, surely you'd have an option B you would prefer. Kinda common sense.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's kind of funny you started this thread because when I started a similar thread I locked it when your post jumped it way over the shark

Anyhow, let's say Mike and Kyle are gone

COO: Bruce Allen. Make it clear he's in charge of the organization, not picking the roster

GM: Mo Brown, or Brian Gaine, or Nick Caserio (Brown because he's in house and well respected Gaine and Caserio are bright young execs)

HC: Perry Fewell. I want a coach looking for a 2nd chance (though I think a guy like Brian Schottenheimer could actually be great) and Fewell has experience, is familiar with big media markets, is disciplined and well respected. And we'd be taking away a division rival's coach

OC/DC: Let me think about those.

Yeah, sorry about that, lol. I think in reading the Fire thread it just seemed like people were bitching for the sake of bitching without offering any alternatives which sparked my post.

In the case Shanahan is gone (which I also strongly doubt) I would be good with Allen running the front office, Fewell or Dom Capers (only with a strong OC) as the HC, don't know about the OC though because I think Kyle is the perfect scheme fit for RGIII. His 3rd down & redzone playcalling has to improve though.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Where did you get the idea that if a fan advocates that Shanahan be replaced, that he should have a plan to fix everything after Shanahan is gone?

A fan doesn't need to have the answers in order to clearly see the problem. Shanahan has quit on the season and I, for one, don't want a quitter for a Head Coach. I know he tried to back off of his post game remarks but I don't believe he misspoke.

Also, he regularly blames his players while defending his coaches which apparently has caused some resentment among the players. Some players have been courageous enough to speak up about the intractability of Jim Haslett, in particular. Surely, there are more players who believe that they alone are being blamed for what is wrong with the team. If so, I'm sure they would view that as unfair to them. In short, I think that he has probably lost the locker room.

Not to mention that the fans need only look at Shanahan's win/loss record as the Head Coach of the Redskins to figure out that he hasn't exactly set the NFL on fire.

Personally, I'm just about done with Shanahan. As I said above, I don't think I need to know how to fix the Redskins in order to justify my having that opinion. If Dan Snyder decides that Shanahan should go, then it's his job to figure out what to do next.

Yeah Paintrain, where did you ever get the idea to ask such a question on a fan site? How dare you?!!

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Where did you ever get the idea that before a fan can legitimately advocate that a Head Coach should be replaced, that he should be able to pick the coach's successor?

A fan doesn't need to have the answer in order to clearly see the problem. Shanahan has quit on the season and I, for one, don't want a quitter for a Head Coach. I know he tried to back off of his post game remarks but I don't believe he misspoke.

Also, he regularly blames his players while defending his coaches which apparently has caused some resentment among the players. Some players have been courageous enough to speak up about the intractability of Jim Haslett, in particular. Surely, there are more players who believe that they alone are being blamed for what is wrong with the team. If so, I'm sure they would view that as unfair to them. In short, I think that he has probably lost the locker room.

Not to mention that the fans need only look at Shanahan's win/loss record as the Head Coach of the Redskins to figure out that he hasn't exactly set the NFL on fire.

Personally, I'm just about done with Shanahan even though I don't know who I would hire to take his place. But, as I said above, I don't think I need to know who I would pick as his successor to justify my having that opinion. If Dan Snyder decides that Shanahan should go, then it's his job to figure out what to do next.

I wish the team could say the same thing about the fans. Especially right after a loss.

Anyway, MS was baited. Prior to the game MS said this is a "must win game" in order to stay in the hunt for the play offs. < yes he should not have said that. But he was being honest. Carolina had only won 1 game.

After the loss to Carolina, a reporter asked him about that comment and how he feels now after the loss? Again MS was being too honest and commented (as I see it) to do two things, 1: to motivate his players to start playing in a professional manner and better then they have, and 2: and to point out the obvious and that is if the players don't start playing better this team is going no where. Which means all they are playing for is to evaluate the players.

Funny that the media ignored or over shadowed the question with "oh my look what MS had to say" and not look at what the question was that was presented and why it was presented.

In the end though MS is human. He lost a game I'm sure he felt they should have won. The players didn't come to play. The defense didn't come to play. The play calls were not the best play calls at the right time. and the team lost. MS was definitley frustrated. Probably mad. and is told he had to go talk to the media.

Whats more weird is it's ok for the fans to talk this way, the media to talk this way, but don't let a player talk honestly or a coach. I think most of us figured the team win 8 games or less. Funny how a few good games at the beginning made everyone think SB or Playoffs. Now because the HC comes out and says what he says, fans get up in arms.

Also the media seemed to over look or leave out the fact MS did say after that one sentence this team statistically is still in the thick of things. Which means he knows this team could possibly pull off a play off birth but not the way they are playing and honestly thats better then most of us here thought we would be at this point. I think.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah Paintrain, where did you ever get the idea to ask such a question on a fan site? How dare you?!!

I know, crazy right?

[skinsguy]

Perry Fewell was one I kind of looked at as well, but leave it to me to put my Redskins fandom above others and have Russ Grimm as my favorite. I don't know how much of a disciplinarian Russ Grimm would be, but I think he'd make a good head coach. All I know is, I would want a coach that knows how to coach discipline into his players, knows how to make halftime adjustments and knows how to manage the clock, knows how to surround himself with the right coaching staff to make it all work. Geez....I want another coach Joe Gibbs (from the 1980's!)

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Sensitive much? I just figured if you think option A is so bad, surely you'd have an option B you would prefer. Kinda common sense.

No, not common sense because I'm not a professional football executive and I'm not qualified to figure out the solution.