And the Washington Redskins select....

[e16bball]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

What about Gibb's other 3 superbowls with the Skins? Rypien, Timmy Smith, Doug Williams...

I'm not saying that every player has to be a difference-maker. Those teams had big-name guys like Charles Mann, Darrell Green, Art Monk, Joe Jacoby, Wilber Marshall etc. and there are many I'm not naming. The fact that some of the critical players were no-names is undeniable, especially when you consider their performances in the Super Bowls, but what is also undeniable is that a lot of marquee guys played big roles in carrying those teams through the season and the playoffs. I'm just saying, its crucial to have as many guys as possible who can truly change a game.

[BigSKINBauer]

yah i like derrick johnson i said earlier.... they compare him to lavar and say that he is small but he looked just like lavar at penn and he may be the best athlete in the draft and last year that was taylor and he showed up last year but if barrow is good to go i say drop down to get more picks and fix up more positions

[joecrisp]

Originally Posted by e16bball

I'm not saying that every player has to be a difference-maker. Those teams had big-name guys like Charles Mann, Darrell Green, Art Monk, Joe Jacoby, Wilber Marshall etc. and there are many I'm not naming. The fact that some of the critical players were no-names is undeniable, especially when you consider their performances in the Super Bowls, but what is also undeniable is that a lot of marquee guys played big roles in carrying those teams through the season and the playoffs. I'm just saying, its crucial to have as many guys as possible who can truly change a game.

What about Clinton Portis, Santana Moss, Chris Samuels, Jon Jansen, Randy Thomas, Cornelius Griffin, Marcus Washington, LaVar Arrington, Shawn Springs and Sean Taylor? That seems like a pretty good number of difference makers and marquee names for one team.

The critical difference between this team and those Super Bowl teams of the previous Gibbs era: a little nuisance called the salary cap. Free agency. Kind of hard to keep a roster full of marquee names and difference makers intact anymore.

As far as the teams you mentioned in your previous post, the Pats aren't the only team that exercises fiscal responsibility (God, I'm already sick of that term!) successfully. In fact, some of the contenders you mentioned-- the Eagles, the Steelers, the Chargers-- have all been cited over the past few years as teams that spend frugally and are willing to let their own free agents leave when they price themselves out of the team's cap budget. They are teams that draft well, and successfully promote from within-- both things the Skins have generally struggled to do. The Eagles spent a little more than usual last season-- buying T.O. and Kearse-- but only after letting three of their difference makers (Staley, Vincent and Taylor) roam to greener pastures.

If you look at the Colts and Falcons, how many difference makers or marquee names can you name on those teams' defenses? The Colts: Dwight Freeney? The Falcons: Patrick Kerney, Rod Coleman, Keith Brooking, DeAngelo Hall. Those teams spend most of their money on the offensive side of the ball. The Colts have more playmakers on offense than virtually any team in the league, but even they are struggling to keep that core intact. Pollard's almost been signed away, and the Colts are looking trade away the franchise-tagged James.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by joecrisp

Excellent, well thought-out post, drew.

I actually agree with most of what you said, and I believe the Skins will in fact trade down from #9 and possibly pick up a second rounder. They might be able to garner an additional 3rd rounder in a Gardner trade, so that would give them some solid, quality picks with which to improve in various areas, rather than gambling on an expensive top-10 pick at receiver.

I see the Skins being very active on draft day, trying to maneuver (both down and up) into position to get the guys they've targeted to improve in areas of need and poor depth. While I think Mike Williams or Braylon Edwards could certainly improve the wide receiver situation, I think the Skins are wary of handing out a big signing bonus to a player at a position that has historically been a huge gamble in terms of bang for first-round buck.

I agree Drew and Joe! Do the names Gardner, Westbrook, and whatshisname from UMich mean anything when it comes to drafting WRs in the first round?

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by backrow

I agree Drew and Joe! Do the names Gardner, Westbrook, and whatshisname from UMich mean anything when it comes to drafting WRs in the first round?

Ah yes. Old whathisname. I was going to get his jersey, but "whatshisname" didn't fit.

Desmond Howard.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

yah i like derrick johnson i said earlier.... they compare him to lavar and say that he is small but he looked just like lavar at penn and he may be the best athlete in the draft and last year that was taylor and he showed up last year but if barrow is good to go i say drop down to get more picks and fix up more positions

See the problem there is this. That guy cannot replace Antonio Perice right away; Perice's biggest asset was his smarts, not his actual physcal play. So bringing in a rookie; while he would be much better as far as talent than say Lamar Marshal, cant be the feild general. I think Marshal, having experiance in the system; can do a good job of that. Plus he has two of the better linebackers in the game on each side of him. I tihnk were gonna be good with Marshal. We need a difference maker offensivley, that is our major problem. I really like Mike Williams because he is a very physical, talented reciver. When you look at our reciving crops, it has talent, but is going to be very finnesee. The only guy who is "physical" in any form (mainly size) is McCants, but who knows whats going on with him. I honestly would like to move up and take Mike Williams. I think he can have a bigger impact than anyone else we could draft.

[That Guy]

i'd vote williams too, even if we have to move up.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Did Desmond do ANYTHING in the NFL?

[Daseal]

Only a super bowl MVP? He ran back a punt to beat the Patriots when he played for Green Bay. We may call him a bust but he's a heisman winner and a super bowl MVP - looks awful nice on paper.

[MTK]

Howard turned in pretty decent career on special teams.

Yeah I know a top pick is supposed to be more than just a great special teamer, but at least he found a niche and wasn't a complete bust.

And yeah that Super Bowl MVP counts for something.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

That was HIM?! Geez, my memory is getting bad in my old age.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by joecrisp

Excellent, well thought-out post, drew.

I actually agree with most of what you said, and I believe the Skins will in fact trade down from #9 and possibly pick up a second rounder. They might be able to garner an additional 3rd rounder in a Gardner trade, so that would give them some solid, quality picks with which to improve in various areas, rather than gambling on an expensive top-10 pick at receiver.

I see the Skins being very active on draft day, trying to maneuver (both down and up) into position to get the guys they've targeted to improve in areas of need and poor depth. While I think Mike Williams or Braylon Edwards could certainly improve the wide receiver situation, I think the Skins are wary of handing out a big signing bonus to a player at a position that has historically been a huge gamble in terms of bang for first-round buck.

JC, Given our cap situation I could see us trading out of the 9 spot but only if we believe that we can get a comprable reciever later inthe draft, my thought on William's from what I can remember from a over a year ago [I haven't seen any highlights on him in quite a while so it's really tough to assess his talent right now] but I remember thinking he has 1 of the best pair of hand's you will ever see, in fact this guy if he wanted to could catch the majority of ball's with 1 hand, I have the same feel for him as I did for Taylor last year I didn't care what Taylor did at the combines, whether or not his 40 time was slow, I new he was an undeniable force on the field, I feel William's is in that mold he's a unique WR who may just absolutly abuse defender's with his physical abilities, basically just throw it up and he will come down with it.

There is a WR out of northern colorado, Vincent Jackson, I watched him at the combine and I have to say he was impressive in the skill's test, the guy can really move for a big man he's 6'6" 240lbs and he looked very, very aggresive, he's also faster than William's, this guy had the look of a killer in his eye, he's a player I would look long and hard at if we don't get William's, I would like to see some actuall game film of him because we all know combines are just that, not the real thing.

[itvnetop]

http://sports.tbo.com/sports/MGB9WXOD56E.html

http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts

We may not get a chance to get our man... add the Bucs to a list of teams interested.

and wow on the second link... a comparison to kw sr!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

http://sports.tbo.com/sports/MGB9WXOD56E.html

http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts

We may not get a chance to get our man... add the Bucs to a list of teams interested.

and wow on the second link... a comparison to kw sr!

Anything is possible but I don't see it, they need a RB and there a RB's available that fit Gruden's system who catch the ball out of the backfield, Clayton is a William's type player, I would be surprised if they went for another big reciever, you have to watch out for team's who try and talk up their interest in certain player's to entice team's to trade up and give up possibly more than they should if their stuck on a particular player.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

So what's the deal with Pittman...? I havent' paid much attention to Bucs' football, but wasn't he pretty good?