On the Hole(s)...

Daseal · 03-22-2005, 12:23 PM

I doubt we'll get either, but you have to look at the direction of your team. Ramsey has had too much drama, let him feel comfortable going into a season. I feel you have to take the top available talent in whatever poistions you have any sort of need. If you have Peyton, Harrison, and Wayne, you probably aren't going to draft a QB or a WR even if they're great. Simply because it doesn't help your team. The draft is where you accumulate talent, this is true. However at any given time nearly every team has 3-5 holes. Take the best player available at those positions unless there's a huge gap between that player and a player at another position. No player seems like a top round lock to me like last year. Williams maybe. DB we have two old starters, WRs we don't have a clear #1, LB we're fine at I only used DJ because he's probably the best player in the draft, and OL most people agree we're fine at.

You have to draft for talent but use your head a little bit. Don't draft a talented guy to sit on your bench for five years.

BossHog · 03-22-2005, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I doubt we'll get either, but you have to look at the direction of your team...I feel you have to take the top available talent in whatever poistions you have any sort of need... DB we have two old starters, WRs we don't have a clear #1, LB we're fine at I only used DJ because he's probably the best player in the draft, and OL most people agree we're fine at.

You have to draft for talent but use your head a little bit. Don't draft a talented guy to sit on your bench for five years.

Yeah. I also believe that Derrick Johnson is probably the safest pick of the draft. There's little doubt that he'll have a productive NFL career as long as the injury bug doesn't bite him often. We don't need him. With only picks in the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 6th, and 7th (as of right now) it seems critical that our day one selections pan out to be legit talent. I'm comfortable with drafting a TE, DT, and if necessary, OL in the later rounds, but drafting a 3rd round or lower CB or WR is not going to make us a better team.

Island Boy · 03-22-2005, 12:24 PM

Oh I saw noodle arms stink up the joint the first 8 games!!! But it didnt take him to long after that to pull him. And some of the cuts and decisions he has made since then has shown that he only wants to find those quality Gibbs type players on his team.

Island Boy · 03-22-2005, 12:27 PM

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You have to draft for talent but use your head a little bit. Don't draft a talented guy to sit on your bench for five years.

Why is a later first round pick and two 2nd or 3rd round picks gonna sit the bench for five years?

Schneed10 · 03-22-2005, 12:34 PM

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Why is a later first round pick and two 2nd or 3rd round picks gonna sit the bench for five years?

He was talking about drafting one of the top QBs at 9. It's a moot point anyway, neither Rodgers or Smith have a chance to make it to our spot.

Island Boy · 03-22-2005, 12:37 PM

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He was talking about drafting one of the top QBs at 9. It's a moot point anyway, neither Rodgers or Smith have a chance to make it to our spot.

Ohh OK I agree with that. I see NO way Gibbs drafts a QB if they fall (maybe a 6th or 7th pick).

Schneed10 · 03-22-2005, 12:25 PM

I am in the camp that believes there are no immediate needs, no gaping holes in the roster as it is currently comprised.

At CB, I love Springs and I like Walt Harris a lot. Harris was a former 1st round pick and started in this league for like 6 or 7 years, so he's fine. Springs was healthy all last year, but we must remember that he has been injury prone during his career, and we would be wise to grab some talent at CB. Plus, these two starters are getting older, and we'll need to replace them someday. I think priority one for that 9th selection has to be Rolle or Pac Man. The rookie wouldn't start, he'd probably be nickel. But he'd be there if we need him this year, and he'll be ready when the old guys fade away.

Other than that, I don't see pressing needs, so my second choice for the 9th selection is to trade it down for more picks.

My third choice would be to select Mike Williams or Troy Williamson at #9. I don't think we need a WR real bad, but I'm really really high on both of these guys. It's important to remember that rookie WRs rarely make an impact and usually need 3 years to develop. But Patten is 30, and Jacobs looks like he could develop into a nice player but I don't see him becoming a star. Drafting one of these WRs wouldn't help us in the near term, but we might have a star on our hands in the longer term, so I'd be fine with this scenario.

Other needs that I see are a blocking TE, hopefully with the added ability to catch passes. If they trade down, I'd love to see Heath Miller. I know a number of people disagree with me there, but I think speedy WRs on the outside, Cooley settling into zones as a safety valve, and Miller threatening the deeper middle would be a well-balanced attack. But if we don't get Miller, we at least need a bulldozing blocker at TE.

I think Lemar Marshall or Mike Barrow will come through at LB, no need there in my opinion.

Timmy H may not be back, so a 3rd string QB is a need.

Other than that, I think we're free to take best players available.

CrazyCanuck · 03-22-2005, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

I am in the camp that believes there are no immediate needs, no gaping holes in the roster as it is currently comprised.

At CB, I love Springs and I like Walt Harris a lot. Harris was a former 1st round pick and started in this league for like 6 or 7 years, so he's fine. Springs was healthy all last year, but we must remember that he has been injury prone during his career, and we would be wise to grab some talent at CB. Plus, these two starters are getting older, and we'll need to replace them someday. I think priority one for that 9th selection has to be Rolle or Pac Man. The rookie wouldn't start, he'd probably be nickel. But he'd be there if we need him this year, and he'll be ready when the old guys fade away.

I agree.

FRPLG · 03-22-2005, 01:04 PM

I don't think we have enough depth holes to make us trade down. If the right deal comes along I think it is possible but our options at 9 would have to limited. Williams, Jones, Edwards and Rolle would defintily all have to be gone it would seem. At that point I think you start targeting specific players and move back to get them like we did with Ramsey a couple years ago. I'd loev to move back to about 20 and get a 2nd rounder but I don't think value wise that is possible.

BossHog · 03-22-2005, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

I don't think we have enough depth holes to make us trade down. If the right deal comes along I think it is possible but our options at 9 would have to limited. Williams, Jones, Edwards and Rolle would defintily all have to be gone it would seem. At that point I think you start targeting specific players and move back to get them like we did with Ramsey a couple years ago. I'd loev to move back to about 20 and get a 2nd rounder but I don't think value wise that is possible.

That does clear things up a bit. However, I did read in Sporting News' Draft publication how PHI has five day one picks and could possibly trade up to draft Mike Williams or Mark Clayton. PHI has selections at #31 in the first round and #35, and #63 in the second round. Would that satisfy anyone? Our #9 overall for PHI's #31 or #35 and #63?

firstdown · 03-22-2005, 01:08 PM

I think we need to stick to the offensive side of the ball. That was our problem last year so lets look at our offence and see where our needs are the greatest. I feel we need a fast WR with good hands to help open up the offense and allowing Portis more room to run. I do not follow college ball so I can't comment on who we pick.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-22-2005, 01:09 PM

I'm with Schneed on this one. I don't feel as though anything is "gaping", I just feel like I'd be HAPPY with a WR with our first round pick. The more I think about our corners, the more I think age is an issue, but hey, isn't that why we have a rookie CB in Wilds?

That Guy · 03-22-2005, 01:19 PM

the only problem we have we trading down is that we could use a WR or DE, but ONLY if they're going to be good (yeah yeah, no gaurantees)... we have a huge pool of average DEs, WRs, LBs, Ss, etc already... if we do trade down, we'll probably go for a CB, since we'll need an extra backup and eventually both our starters will be gone, so finding the eventual #2 now wouldn't be a horrible idea.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-22-2005, 01:21 PM

Most definitely. If our "top 2" WR picks are gone, I could see trading down for a CB and some picks. We could just leave the WR core "as is" and see how the season goes.

FRPLG · 03-22-2005, 01:29 PM

I would doubt we'll ever make a deal of that magnitude with Philly. I might go into serious depression if we traded Philly our pick and they took someone who ended up beign a pro bowler.

03-22-2005, 12:25 PM	#7
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: On the Hole(s)... I am in the camp that believes there are no immediate needs, no gaping holes in the roster as it is currently comprised. At CB, I love Springs and I like Walt Harris a lot. Harris was a former 1st round pick and started in this league for like 6 or 7 years, so he's fine. Springs was healthy all last year, but we must remember that he has been injury prone during his career, and we would be wise to grab some talent at CB. Plus, these two starters are getting older, and we'll need to replace them someday. I think priority one for that 9th selection has to be Rolle or Pac Man. The rookie wouldn't start, he'd probably be nickel. But he'd be there if we need him this year, and he'll be ready when the old guys fade away. Other than that, I don't see pressing needs, so my second choice for the 9th selection is to trade it down for more picks. My third choice would be to select Mike Williams or Troy Williamson at #9. I don't think we need a WR real bad, but I'm really really high on both of these guys. It's important to remember that rookie WRs rarely make an impact and usually need 3 years to develop. But Patten is 30, and Jacobs looks like he could develop into a nice player but I don't see him becoming a star. Drafting one of these WRs wouldn't help us in the near term, but we might have a star on our hands in the longer term, so I'd be fine with this scenario. Other needs that I see are a blocking TE, hopefully with the added ability to catch passes. If they trade down, I'd love to see Heath Miller. I know a number of people disagree with me there, but I think speedy WRs on the outside, Cooley settling into zones as a safety valve, and Miller threatening the deeper middle would be a well-balanced attack. But if we don't get Miller, we at least need a bulldozing blocker at TE. I think Lemar Marshall or Mike Barrow will come through at LB, no need there in my opinion. Timmy H may not be back, so a 3rd string QB is a need. Other than that, I think we're free to take best players available.

03-22-2005, 01:08 PM	#11
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 62 Posts: 15,817	Re: On the Hole(s)... I think we need to stick to the offensive side of the ball. That was our problem last year so lets look at our offence and see where our needs are the greatest. I feel we need a fast WR with good hands to help open up the offense and allowing Portis more room to run. I do not follow college ball so I can't comment on who we pick.

03-22-2005, 01:09 PM	#12
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: On the Hole(s)... I'm with Schneed on this one. I don't feel as though anything is "gaping", I just feel like I'd be HAPPY with a WR with our first round pick. The more I think about our corners, the more I think age is an issue, but hey, isn't that why we have a rookie CB in Wilds? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-22-2005, 01:19 PM	#13
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	Re: On the Hole(s)... the only problem we have we trading down is that we could use a WR or DE, but ONLY if they're going to be good (yeah yeah, no gaurantees)... we have a huge pool of average DEs, WRs, LBs, Ss, etc already... if we do trade down, we'll probably go for a CB, since we'll need an extra backup and eventually both our starters will be gone, so finding the eventual #2 now wouldn't be a horrible idea.

03-22-2005, 01:21 PM	#14
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: On the Hole(s)... Most definitely. If our "top 2" WR picks are gone, I could see trading down for a CB and some picks. We could just leave the WR core "as is" and see how the season goes. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-22-2005, 12:23 PM	#1
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	Re: On the Hole(s)... I doubt we'll get either, but you have to look at the direction of your team. Ramsey has had too much drama, let him feel comfortable going into a season. I feel you have to take the top available talent in whatever poistions you have any sort of need. If you have Peyton, Harrison, and Wayne, you probably aren't going to draft a QB or a WR even if they're great. Simply because it doesn't help your team. The draft is where you accumulate talent, this is true. However at any given time nearly every team has 3-5 holes. Take the best player available at those positions unless there's a huge gap between that player and a player at another position. No player seems like a top round lock to me like last year. Williams maybe. DB we have two old starters, WRs we don't have a clear #1, LB we're fine at I only used DJ because he's probably the best player in the draft, and OL most people agree we're fine at. You have to draft for talent but use your head a little bit. Don't draft a talented guy to sit on your bench for five years.

03-22-2005, 12:24 PM	#3
Island Boy Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: VA Age: 45 Posts: 30	Re: On the Hole(s)... Oh I saw noodle arms stink up the joint the first 8 games!!! But it didnt take him to long after that to pull him. And some of the cuts and decisions he has made since then has shown that he only wants to find those quality Gibbs type players on his team. __________________ If life gives you lemons, you should make lemonade. And try to find somebody who's life gives them vodka, and have a party.

03-22-2005, 01:04 PM	#9
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 10,164	Re: On the Hole(s)... I don't think we have enough depth holes to make us trade down. If the right deal comes along I think it is possible but our options at 9 would have to limited. Williams, Jones, Edwards and Rolle would defintily all have to be gone it would seem. At that point I think you start targeting specific players and move back to get them like we did with Ramsey a couple years ago. I'd loev to move back to about 20 and get a 2nd rounder but I don't think value wise that is possible.

03-22-2005, 01:29 PM	#15
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 10,164	Re: On the Hole(s)... I would doubt we'll ever make a deal of that magnitude with Philly. I might go into serious depression if we traded Philly our pick and they took someone who ended up beign a pro bowler.

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