Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

Feel feel to disagree with me, but working out at the U is NOT a bad thing. Its not good for team spirit, but the fact of the matter is they are NOT practicing at redskins park right now. They are NOT running plays. They are lifting weights as a team. He is probably getting more practice in Miami then if he was at Redskins park.

They're not running through plays like they do in camp like in 7 on 7s, but still, this is a great time for Ramsey to work with the WRs to establish some chemistry and get a feel for one another.

There's still plenty of official camps and practices ahead, it would just be nice if they could be getting a head start on things.

I agree it's not critical for them to be in DC right now, but in the spirit of "team", they should be there. Otherwise don't show up at your introductory press conference like Moss did and tell us how you're such a team guy.

[memphisskin]

I agree Matty, Moss saying he's a team guy doesn't jibe with him missing the first voluntary camp. And I think he should be there and if I was in his shoes I would be there.

But come January we will not even remember that Moss missed the first voluntary workout. Plus it's a precautionary measure, until he signs the new deal that the Skins have already all but promised him I wouldn't expect him to show up for anything voluntary. If anything it's our fault for not A) negotiating the new deal before we made the deal and B) promising him a new deal in the first place.

I don't think there will be any chemistry issues, it's not like the voluntary camps helped Brunell out last year.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

They're not running through plays like they do in camp like in 7 on 7s, but still, this is a great time for Ramsey to work with the WRs to establish some chemistry and get a feel for one another.

There's still plenty of official camps and practices ahead, it would just be nice if they could be getting a head start on things.

I agree it's not critical for them to be in DC right now, but in the spirit of "team", they should be there. Otherwise don't show up at your introductory press conference like Moss did and tell us how you're such a team guy.

A team guy as long as the money is right?

[Drift Reality]

"Sean Taylor" and "studying" in the same sentence sort of sounds funny to me, almost an oxymoron actually.

There is no "silver lining" to him not being at Redskins training camp.

I think Santana Moss missing the workouts is worse though. He needs to realize he hasn't accomplished shit, he hasn't played one down as a Redskins, and that he needs to work out with the quarterback.

[Longtimefan]

When I was a child I spoke as a child, when I became a man I put away childish things. It really dosen't matter if Taylor and Moss come to camp looking like Atlas, the fact remains the same they "should" be at Redskins Park. Whatever they're doing at the "U" is not like what they would be acomplishing if they were they should be.
Good thing they're not here during the time Schottenheimer was coach. Remember Larry Centers? He always worked out in Arizona during the off-season and expressed his desire to continue doing so and Marty ushered him to his desire.

[diehardskin2982]

I don't care if ST is at the U training as long as he's gets better. Moss disturbes me not being there, becuase Ramsey needs to get used to throwing the ball to him. As for the parting, its not like there isn't 20 or so clubs here in DC that they can visit.

[wolfeskins]

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]as for the parting, its not like there isn't 20 or so clubs here in DC that they can visit.





yea, partying in dc is prolly just as fun as partying in miami :smashfrea

both of those little pricks should be with the team. taylor is really starting to piss me off and moss is starting out the wrong way.

[celts32]

There is no way to make a positive out of ST not being at Redskins park. I don't think it will hurt their defense much if at all, but he still should be there. I hate all these Miami guys. You can't turn your back on them becasue they have talent, but I can't stand how they all think there is a seperate set of rules for them.

Moss not being there is the bigger problem. He needs every minute he can get working with Ramsey.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by celts32

There is no way to make a positive out of ST not being at Redskins park. I don't think it will hurt their defense much if at all, but he still should be there. I hate all these Miami guys. You can't turn your back on them becasue they have talent, but I can't stand how they all think there is a seperate set of rules for them.

Moss not being there is the bigger problem. He needs every minute he can get working with Ramsey.

Totally agree.

[Drift Reality]

As a follow-up point, I think position is another key point here.

Free safety is a position where reads and unity are more important than at d-line; same goes for WR - these guys need to work on the cerebral aspects of the game, which isn't what is going on down in Miami.

[SantanaMan]

Regardless of how/why/what Sean Taylor is doing in Miami, I think it is imperitive that he is at Redskin Park with the rest of the guys.

The "voluntary" workouts are voluntary in name only, no matter what he is doing, he won't be building the camaraderie that you build up with going through workouts/camps with your fellow players. The players build trust and respect for each other when they see how hard each other is working towards the teams goal, if you think him being missing will not affect peoples views on him then you are wrong - there will become the whole "we're here bustin' our ass while he is down in Miami, whats up with that!" scenario.

CP is from Thug U (Miami), yet he is at the workouts, showing remarkable leadership considering it is only his 2nd year with the Skins - maybe he shoudl give ST a call and tell him to haul ass up here!

Sean Taylor has a good contract, be shouldn't be trying to hold out for a new one after 1 year, if he had been a Pro Bowler or whatever then ok, but not right now.

Santana Moss is also making a terrible mistake in not being here, a "team guy", a "Redskins kinda guy" is not one that decides to skip workouts or holdout, especially when you haven't yet even met a lot of your teammates!
He'll get his deal, so why risk your development with the team by holding out like this!

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SantanaMan

Sean Taylor has a good contract, be shouldn't be trying to hold out for a new one after 1 year, if he had been a Pro Bowler or whatever then ok, but not right now.

actually i think ST gets some insane money for making the pro bowl, so if he gets there, i doubt he'll be complaining about being underpayed...

[CRT3]

There really is no excuse for not being at Redskin Park. If you want the whole team to gell and form a bond its best that all players show up. In fact when the NFL had a strike back in the 80's one team went and practiced alltogehter on their own. No one went back to their offseason homes but all stayed and worked together as a team to get better. When the strike was over that team came back and went and won the Super Bowl. If you don't know who that team is that you really might not be a fan. So the moral of the story is those who stick together as one can succeed as one.
So as a special note to Mr. Baby Taylor, GET YOUR ($#(_$# TOGETHER!

[SKINSnCANES]

relax you guys. Do you really think that two weeks of lifting weights is going to make or break this season. This is getting blown out of proportion. Its not like he said he doesnt want to work out and just wants to sit at home and get fat. He is working out, he is doing his necessary training. Now, if either of them miss practices then start to bitch. But this istn that big of a deal

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

relax you guys. Do you really think that two weeks of lifting weights is going to make or break this season. This is getting blown out of proportion. Its not like he said he doesnt want to work out and just wants to sit at home and get fat. He is working out, he is doing his necessary training. Now, if either of them miss practices then start to bitch. But this istn that big of a deal

No offense, but I think your opinion is tainted since these guys are from "the U". What if every player on the team decided to work out in thier college town and Redskins Park was a ghost town until training camp? Would it be a problem then? All these Miami guys think they play under a digfferent set of rules and it pis*es me off...