is the NFL shady or legit ?

[skinsguy]

I don't believe the NFL, itself, is fixed. It's not the WWE. However, it is 100% fact that each officiating crew is going to call a game differently. Some are going to let holding penalties go and call more pass interference while others will do the opposite. And I do believe that certain teams tend to get the benefit of the doubt more than others - usually teams that are amongst the "elite" teams of the league. Players have always said that there's something happening on every single play that could be called. Some players tend to get away with things more than others. And at least indirectly, that can help determine the outcome of the game.

[Giantone]

Shouldn't this thread be here ....


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[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I don't believe the NFL, itself, is fixed. It's not the WWE. However, it is 100% fact that each officiating crew is going to call a game differently. Some are going to let holding penalties go and call more pass interference while others will do the opposite. And I do believe that certain teams tend to get the benefit of the doubt more than others - usually teams that are amongst the "elite" teams of the league. Players have always said that there's something happening on every single play that could be called. Some players tend to get away with things more than others. And at least indirectly, that can help determine the outcome of the game.

No doubt the human element plays in, but that's not the same as fixing games.

[CRedskinsRule]

I think the mystique of football is exactly what the article refers to as "magic". Keeping 22 men, + coaches, + backups + everyone else involved moving in sync is not something that happens magically, and unexpected glitches, ie a bad snap, catching a football on the top of the helmet, etc, is the essence of what makes a 60 minute football game watchable, and exciting. Even a non-existent PI call, frustrating as it may be is more due to human fallibility, then some grandiose rigging scheme.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

No doubt the human element plays in, but that's not the same as fixing games.

I agree, refs calling games differently isnt game fixing.

There is no way the NFL is manipulating games a la the WWE because if they did there's no way Vegas would allow gambling on the games anymore. That was the big thing with the XFL, the WWE guaranteed to Vegas that they would manipulate the games like they did to wrestling matches so that Vegas would put out a line and take bets on the game.

With that said I do think NFL games have been and still are occasionally fixed by organized crime or whoever but not the NFL. I think maybe 1 or 2 games total per season might be fixed. I think a fix would be done more to punish someone or make a point than as a way to make $ since it seems that trying to organize a fix to make $ is way more difficult than just going to Vegas, using the mountain of information available and making a bet.

[Alvin Walton]

Fixed by organized crime?
How would they go about fixing it?

[MTK]

lol this thread

[irish]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Fixed by organized crime?
How would they go about fixing it?

It seems pretty easy by getting a player or a ref to "miss" a play or 2. Its not like it has to be every play, just 1 or 2 can easily turn a game. Someone like Aaron Hernandez would be a prime candidate for this considering all the shady people he seemed to be hanging around with. Its not like it hasnt been done in other sports. I am stunned by the naivete of the people on this board who think that game fixing is impossible.

I dont think it happens often but I do think it happens occasionally.

[MTK]

It's not impossible to fix a game, but I think it's next to impossible to keep it covered up.

[SirLK26]

I think some of you dismissed this way too quickly. The NFL being fixed is unlikely, but it isn't implausible. I'd like to hear the arguments refuting all the evidence Ram29 brought out, besides it being too "hard to cover up" to be plausible.

The NFL as entertainment instead of sport? That's the part that really makes me mad. The NFL doesn't give a rat's ass about preserving the game or the integrity of it... all they care about is making money. That's why we have all these stupid rule changes like practically(and it will happen completely soon) eliminating the kickoff.

[Ruhskins]

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

I think some of you dismissed this way too quickly. The NFL being fixed is unlikely, but it isn't implausible. I'd like to hear the arguments refuting all the evidence Ram29 brought out, besides it being too "hard to cover up" to be plausible.

The NFL as entertainment instead of sport? That's the part that really makes me mad. The NFL doesn't give a rat's ass about preserving the game or the integrity of it... all they care about is making money. That's why we have all these stupid rule changes like practically(and it will happen completely soon) eliminating the kickoff.

Its from two sources that are credible how?
Anyone can make a blog and start caterwauling.
I started to read it and stopped.
It reminds me of the "9/11 was an inside job" blogs.
Its speculation.
Show me a confession or a conviction.
*Insert large roll eyes icon here*

[MTK]

It's like asking someone to refute the "evidence" that we didn't land on the moon. C'mon man.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Its from two sources that are credible how?
Anyone can make a blog and start caterwauling.
I started to read it and stopped.
It reminds me of the "9/11 was an inside job" blogs.
Its speculation.
Show me a confession or a conviction.
*Insert large roll eyes icon here*

Sure, but if they make good arguments, that's a moot point.

I haven't dug deep enough for evidence of my own because I don't think it's true and it's never bothered me that much. I just wanted compelling arguments from those who immediately said it was ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's like asking someone to refute the "evidence" that we didn't land on the moon. C'mon man.

Here's Your Proof that We Did, in Fact, Land on the Moon - weather.com

See, that's how this game is played.

[MTK]

Problem is no matter what evidence is offered, the mouth breathers will come up with new BS or just flat out deny the truth. That's how the conspiracy theory game works.