Forget Ramsey for a minute...My last days as a Redskins fan?

[Redskinsfaninnola]

JDlea, you moving to New Orleans and maybe looking for a new team? Dont do either one. I live in New Orleans and the Saints might not be here in a few years. I have lived here most of my life and have been a Skins fan for 30 yrs it WILL work out better than the Saints lol.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by offiss

No! Bobby Beatherd drafted the QB's not Gibbs, so far Gibbs has shown no eye for talent when it comes to aquiring a QB, and if he drafts Campbell it will continue.

Offis check your facts before you yell NO!
It was Gibbs who recruited and asked to get Doug Williams. Gibbs was soley responsible for getting Williams. Gibbs coached Williams early in his career and they were friends. Doug Williams had a little bit of talent wouldn't you say? He did take us to the super bowl and he was the MVP of that SuperBowl.
Gibbs also scouted all the QB and gave the final ok before Beathard or Casserly (sure would be nice to have them back) pulled the trigger on any QB.
Gibbs heavily scouted and gave his blessing on Rypien and Stan Humphries.

Drafting Campbell would not be so bad. We need a back up plan if Ramsey does not pan out.

[BDBohnzie]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Offis check your facts before you yell NO!
It was Gibbs who recruited and asked to get Doug Williams. Gibbs was soley responsible for getting Williams. Gibbs coached Williams early in his career and they were friends. Doug Williams had a little bit of talent wouldn't you say? He did take us to the super bowl and he was the MVP of that SuperBowl.
Gibbs also scouted all the QB and gave the final ok before Beathard or Casserly (sure would be nice to have them back) pulled the trigger on any QB.
Gibbs heavily scouted and gave his blessing on Rypien and Stan Humphries.

Drafting Campbell would not be so bad. We need a back up plan if Ramsey does not pan out.

Yes, Gibbs recruited Williams...who was already an established QB in the league. As far as Rypien and Humphries, they were average QBs that had 1, maybe 2 good seasons. Gibbs has a knack to work with lesser talent QBs and making them adapt to the system.

QB Wise, our bed is made. We just resigned Hasselback, Brunell has his restructured contract, and Gibbs has already named Ramsey the starter.

Ramsey has been in the system for a year. Guys like Rypien and Humphries spent 2, 3, 4 years on the sideline before jumping into the fray, which gave them all that time to learn the system. Ramsey is learning as he goes, and it takes time to learn Gibbs' offense.

I think drafting Campbell would be a mistake, especially when we have other pressing needs.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Offis check your facts before you yell NO!
It was Gibbs who recruited and asked to get Doug Williams. Gibbs was soley responsible for getting Williams. Gibbs coached Williams early in his career and they were friends. Doug Williams had a little bit of talent wouldn't you say? He did take us to the super bowl and he was the MVP of that SuperBowl.
Gibbs also scouted all the QB and gave the final ok before Beathard or Casserly (sure would be nice to have them back) pulled the trigger on any QB.
Gibbs heavily scouted and gave his blessing on Rypien and Stan Humphries.

Drafting Campbell would not be so bad. We need a back up plan if Ramsey does not pan out.

Great Post!

My facts are just fine it sounds to me like your pulling ideas from no where, and not reading your own posts.

You said that Gibbs ALWAYS drafted and develpoped is own QB's, I provided your statement in case of sudden selective memory lose.

I am not as sold on Ramsey as jdlea. Yeah is is a nice guy, but that is not enough.
Gibbs has always drafted and developed QB's, even when we had a good one on our team.

Beathard drafted Schroeder, Humphries, Rypien, PERIOD!

When D.Williams became avail. Beathard brought Gibbs game film and they broke it down to see if he had developed since his days in the NFL, and they believed he had so they signed him, this wasen't a drafted player or a develpemental player this was an experienced ageing QB.

And to say Williams was this great QB, what were you watching? That skin's team carried Williams through the playoffs, William's missed 3 to 4 td's in the championship game against the Vikings to recievers that were wide open, and did everything in his power to keep the Vikings in that game, a game we almost allowed them to tie on the final play. Nobody remembers that one or the bears game before it because of Williams Specatacular performance in the SB, but take a good look at that game, the denver defense was taylored made for us, that was one of the great mismatches in SB history as far as a matchup between an offense against a defense. I am getting off track here, but the point is Williams doesn't even factor into your original statement, kind of amazing that the 1 QB gibbs has a say in is 1 of the worst signings in our history, Brunell! But we are to believe he was the genious behind scouting all these other unknown QB's, when Bethards reputation was just that, finding unknown talent, he did it for every team that he was the GM. Beathard brought in the talent, Gibbs decieded who played, those are the facts!

[JWsleep]

Hang in there, man! You gotta stick it out. When we do win again, it is going to be very sweet. Rant away--that's what this board is for, no doubt. But you gotta stick with the burgundy and gold. The worm will turn. It's darkest befor dawn. If it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger. (Insert cliche here )

[sportscurmudgeon]

JWSleep:

If it indeed is darkest just before dawn, why didn't the sun come up after Jeff George left town?

[skinsguy]

Do you smell that? It smells like a fair weather fan.....someone open a window real quick!!

[skinsguy]

I'm hoping for a good Wide Receiver and Cornerback out of this draft. I'm also eager to see what happens with Rod Gardner...never know what we might get out of him....

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Whoa. I get on after work and this is what happens.

I'm a Redskins fan whether they never win another game again. My future generations will ALSO be brainwashed into thinking the same way.

I wish the draft would hurry and happen so that HOPEFULLY we can be like, "Whew, I was afraid something crazy was going to happen."

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Whoa. I get on after work and this is what happens.

I'm a Redskins fan whether they never win another game again. My future generations will ALSO be brainwashed into thinking the same way.

I wish the draft would hurry and happen so that HOPEFULLY we can be like, "Whew, I was afraid something crazy was going to happen."

Have any of you guys ever worried about what would happen if your kids chose to like a different team? Cos I have. Alot. I just know I'm gonna be cursed with some little tyke trotting around the house in cowboys pajamas.

Some of my greatest memories are watching the Skins with my family. My dad and uncles would be there, then my grandfather the patriarch would come out in the same Skins cardigan he wore every sunday and sit down in his chair.

Near the end of his life - the initial post-Gibbs years - the doctor forbid him from watching if they were doing to poorly because it was bad for his heart.

So anyway, any kid trying to break that tradition needs to look up adoption agency in the phonebook.

[jdlea]

lol...I think that's pretty funny. I just hope my kids like football. I don't know if I'm going to push a team on them. I have always like the Skins because my brother and my father do. I guess. I don't really remember. I've just been a fan for as long as I remember and regardless as to what I may say there are no plans for a divorce...lol

[81forHOF]

Im a diehard fan but I know where you're coming from. A guy can only stand to watch such bufoonery for so long.

[redwagonskins]

BTW, Campbell scored a 16 on the wonderlic test (IQ) well below what the average QB scores. I remember a mobile, strong armed kid we drafted named Shuler who also tanked his IQ test. Maybe it takes a bit of smarts to be a QB in the NFL.
Wouldn't mind seeing Alex Smith slide down. A kid with a strong arm, accuracy, mobility, a 3.76 in Economics and graduated in 2 years.... I can dream

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by redwagonskins

BTW, Campbell scored a 16 on the wonderlic test (IQ) well below what the average QB scores. I remember a mobile, strong armed kid we drafted named Shuler who also tanked his IQ test. Maybe it takes a bit of smarts to be a QB in the NFL.
Wouldn't mind seeing Alex Smith slide down. A kid with a strong arm, accuracy, mobility, a 3.76 in Economics and graduated in 2 years.... I can dream

I wouldn't read too much into that. Griese scored a 39, Cade McNown a 28, and Dan Marino a 16

[sportscurmudgeon]

TAFKAS:

Indeed the Wonderlic is not the total answer to QB-prowess, But Akili Smith also scored somewhere in the mid-teens and he never seemed to "get it" with regard to what a QB needs to do in the NFL.

You need brains and brawn to do that job and if you are really dumb, you damned well have some outlandish physical skills to compensate for that - - a la Marino.