(Merged) Jason Campbell

SantanaMan · 04-23-2005, 05:21 PM

I don't doubt this guy is a great QB - didn't he just lead Auburn undefeated, plus they had a very good running game (so similarilites there), HOWEVER coming into this draft our offence needed a shot in the arm.

Adding a QB that will sit on the bench (providing Gibbs is true to his word that this is Ramseys team this year) doesn't seem like an idea to add points on the board!!!
Are we gonna carry 4 QBs ? ...
Ramsey - given the job by Gibbs
Campbell - just drafted
Brunell - can't afford to get rid of him
Hasselbeck - 'cus of his wife!

Maybe it will all work out and we'll win 12 next year, but passing on Mike Williams to me was a HUGE mistake and taking a QB in round 1 when we have other bigger needs is another (not to mention the other mistakes in this offseason). Our FO used to be joked about for being an easy few extra mill on a contract, now its just a joke.

Without a pick until round 4 (thanks to trading this years 3rd to Denver in the trade to get Campbell) we are gonna struggle to add players to REALLY make waves on our team next season - and with the way things our going I see us drafting Clarett!!!!

With the Moss/Taylor stuff as well as everything else, watching this years offseason for the skins is almost as bad as watching our offence last season!

offiss · 04-23-2005, 05:23 PM

This pick is utter incompetence! We give up 3 pick's including our #1 next year, [which after seeing this pick I have concluded will be a very high pick because Gibbs is insane] for a mediocre QB that is NOT 1st round material, who was going to draft this kid if we didn't? This kid isn't McNabb, McNair, Culpepper, Leftwich, and here's the scary part I don't believe he's even Aaron Brooks.

Gibbs is like a moth to the flame when it comes to QB's he can't help himself. He killed us with Brunell last year, and now we give away next years draft to move into the first round to pick a player who wouldn't be drafted until the second.

Say what you want but I was right about brunell last year and i will be right about this kid as his future unfolds, but don't worry we will trade him for a conditional 6th or 7th rd. pick in 3 year's.

Although this may be a ploy to help Patrick feel more comfortable and secure about his starting role, now we have no backups, no wonder he was so understanding when he was told we were drafting Campbell, it was also a good job by us to resign Hasselbach! Kind of reminds me of the McCants resigning last year, resign him and then sit Patricks favorite target on the bench, that is when he was active, it's not like a pattern is forming or anything.

JWsleep · 04-23-2005, 05:23 PM

Right, I meant drafted WR. Fair enough. It's just I was hoping for another. Oh, well. YOu don't win without a QB, and if Ramsey either goes down or fails to reach the next level, we are truly screwed. So now we've got QB depth. Hope it works out.

As for the FO--was this worth the picks?

RedskinRat · 04-23-2005, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Big C

not disagreeing with u, but i am curious to know why u like it. i dont really know how to feel about it

I see them having him carrying the clipboard for at least 2 seasons. Finally the RIGHT way to bring on a QB.

monk81 · 04-23-2005, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by flyfischer

I do think its a good idea to add depth everywhere...but I don't think this draft was one in which we had the luxury of drafting for depth. We still have needs at WR, TE, and DE...and few draft picks to fill them. In my opinion it was a wasted pick, especially with Heath Miller, Dan Cody, and Roddy White still on the board...especially since we don't have a second rounder.

Totally agree flyfischer.......QB wasn't an area of urgent need.......we could have picked a WR or gotten some help on defense............I was thinking about some of the same players that were still available. Not a happy camper.

SkinsRock · 04-23-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinRat

I see them having him carrying the clipboard for at least 2 seasons. Finally the RIGHT way to bring on a QB.

Agreed 100%. And if Ramsey turns into the QB a lot of us think he could be, then a decision will have to be made on Campbell down the road.

Grayacre · 04-23-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JWsleep

... if Ramsey either goes down or fails to reach the next level, we are truly screwed. So now we've got QB depth. Hope it works out.

With all due respect, an untested rookie does not add any sort of meaningful depth. The only sort of "depth" that drafting another QB adds is providing another warm body to play in emergencies; we've already got two of those. If Ramsey gets hurt or "fails to reach the next level," can we really expect a rookie to step up and perform any better than the two other back-ups? Besides, aren't we already paying enough for "depth" with Brunell's contract?

jdlea · 04-23-2005, 05:37 PM

We could've waited till the 4th round and taken Adrian McPherson. Who I am absolutely in love with. I think he made a mistake, but it's not that big a deal. This is weak.

JWsleep · 04-23-2005, 05:38 PM

What happens to Rod Gardner now? Should we keep him? We need a big WR, and he may be the best option left. Can we get a 3rd rounder next year for him?

flyfischer · 04-23-2005, 05:39 PM

WOW...with the guys still on the board, I really really wish we had a second round pick...

jdlea · 04-23-2005, 05:41 PM

I really wish we had just stayed in the third round and not wasted 3 picks to move into the bottom of the first for a position we didn't even need.

JWsleep · 04-23-2005, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Grayacre

With all due respect, an untested rookie does not add any sort of meaningful depth. The only sort of "depth" that drafting another QB adds is providing another warm body to play in emergencies; we've already got two of those. If Ramsey gets hurt or "fails to reach the next level," can we really expect a rookie to step up and perform any better than the two other back-ups? Besides, aren't we already paying enough for "depth" with Brunell's contract?

I agree, actually. I was just trying to spin it from the FOs (twisted) perspective. Obviously, if PR goes down this year, it won't be Campbell. But the year after, if PR fails to grow, we might see Campbell. BUt I'm with you. I was pulling for a WR there...

jdlea · 04-23-2005, 05:44 PM

I was thinking D End. However, they apparently don't like getting a pass rush from the front 4.

mooby · 04-23-2005, 05:50 PM

im not jumping ship, im just hella confused as to why we had to take a player at a position that isn't a big priority. why? if patrick is gonna be our starting quarterback, why take another one. we still need help at wideout. hasn't anyone thought what might happen if santana moss holds out during the regular season over his contract. maybe they are trying to motivate ramsey to be great during the season. maybe they are trying to trade ramsey. there were still some good receivers left in the draft. there were still some de's still available.

Skinsfanatic · 04-23-2005, 05:52 PM

Campbell is a great qb. I think if this is the way we are going we need to trade Ramsey NOW. Commit to this change, and see if we can get a decent pick for Ramsey. Miami has a second now (from KC). Trade with them. NOW. Then trade Gardner for a 4th or 5th and start from scratch.

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04-23-2005, 05:21 PM	#16
SantanaMan Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 224	Re: Jason Campbell I don't doubt this guy is a great QB - didn't he just lead Auburn undefeated, plus they had a very good running game (so similarilites there), HOWEVER coming into this draft our offence needed a shot in the arm. Adding a QB that will sit on the bench (providing Gibbs is true to his word that this is Ramseys team this year) doesn't seem like an idea to add points on the board!!! Are we gonna carry 4 QBs ? ... Ramsey - given the job by Gibbs Campbell - just drafted Brunell - can't afford to get rid of him Hasselbeck - 'cus of his wife! Maybe it will all work out and we'll win 12 next year, but passing on Mike Williams to me was a HUGE mistake and taking a QB in round 1 when we have other bigger needs is another (not to mention the other mistakes in this offseason). Our FO used to be joked about for being an easy few extra mill on a contract, now its just a joke. Without a pick until round 4 (thanks to trading this years 3rd to Denver in the trade to get Campbell) we are gonna struggle to add players to REALLY make waves on our team next season - and with the way things our going I see us drafting Clarett!!!! With the Moss/Taylor stuff as well as everything else, watching this years offseason for the skins is almost as bad as watching our offence last season!

04-23-2005, 05:23 PM	#17
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 61 Posts: 3,097	Re: Jason Campbell This pick is utter incompetence! We give up 3 pick's including our #1 next year, [which after seeing this pick I have concluded will be a very high pick because Gibbs is insane] for a mediocre QB that is NOT 1st round material, who was going to draft this kid if we didn't? This kid isn't McNabb, McNair, Culpepper, Leftwich, and here's the scary part I don't believe he's even Aaron Brooks. Gibbs is like a moth to the flame when it comes to QB's he can't help himself. He killed us with Brunell last year, and now we give away next years draft to move into the first round to pick a player who wouldn't be drafted until the second. Say what you want but I was right about brunell last year and i will be right about this kid as his future unfolds, but don't worry we will trade him for a conditional 6th or 7th rd. pick in 3 year's. Although this may be a ploy to help Patrick feel more comfortable and secure about his starting role, now we have no backups, no wonder he was so understanding when he was told we were drafting Campbell, it was also a good job by us to resign Hasselbach! Kind of reminds me of the McCants resigning last year, resign him and then sit Patricks favorite target on the bench, that is when he was active, it's not like a pattern is forming or anything.

04-23-2005, 05:23 PM	#18
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 57 Posts: 4,719	Re: Jason Campbell Right, I meant drafted WR. Fair enough. It's just I was hoping for another. Oh, well. YOu don't win without a QB, and if Ramsey either goes down or fails to reach the next level, we are truly screwed. So now we've got QB depth. Hope it works out. As for the FO--was this worth the picks? __________________ Hail from Houston!

04-23-2005, 05:37 PM	#23
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	Re: Jason Campbell We could've waited till the 4th round and taken Adrian McPherson. Who I am absolutely in love with. I think he made a mistake, but it's not that big a deal. This is weak.

04-23-2005, 05:38 PM	#24
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 57 Posts: 4,719	Re: Jason Campbell What happens to Rod Gardner now? Should we keep him? We need a big WR, and he may be the best option left. Can we get a 3rd rounder next year for him? __________________ Hail from Houston!

04-23-2005, 05:39 PM	#25
flyfischer Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 47	Re: Jason Campbell WOW...with the guys still on the board, I really really wish we had a second round pick...

04-23-2005, 05:41 PM	#26
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	Re: Jason Campbell I really wish we had just stayed in the third round and not wasted 3 picks to move into the bottom of the first for a position we didn't even need.

04-23-2005, 05:44 PM	#28
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	Re: Jason Campbell I was thinking D End. However, they apparently don't like getting a pass rush from the front 4.

04-23-2005, 05:50 PM	#29
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,595	Re: Jason Campbell im not jumping ship, im just hella confused as to why we had to take a player at a position that isn't a big priority. why? if patrick is gonna be our starting quarterback, why take another one. we still need help at wideout. hasn't anyone thought what might happen if santana moss holds out during the regular season over his contract. maybe they are trying to motivate ramsey to be great during the season. maybe they are trying to trade ramsey. there were still some good receivers left in the draft. there were still some de's still available. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

04-23-2005, 05:52 PM	#30
Skinsfanatic The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,393	Re: Jason Campbell Campbell is a great qb. I think if this is the way we are going we need to trade Ramsey NOW. Commit to this change, and see if we can get a decent pick for Ramsey. Miami has a second now (from KC). Trade with them. NOW. Then trade Gardner for a 4th or 5th and start from scratch.

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