49ers Postgame Thread

[spAtt]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Our defense finally gets some turnovers, and we can't capitalize. Really disappointing.

Not only can we not capitalize. We go 3 and out..lol

[irish]

13 points makes it very difficult to win at any level. RG looked terrible and Gruden basically said in his post game presser that that the offensive personnel isnt capable. This team has no depth and IMO that (and the terrible QB play) is the biggest reason they look so bad.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by irish

13 points makes it very difficult to win at any level. RG looked terrible and Gruden basically said in his post game presser that that the offensive personnel isnt capable. This team has no depth and IMO that (and the terrible QB play) is the biggest reason they look so bad.

Gruden didn't make any adjustments. This particular loss is on him as much, if not more, than anyone else. Just blaming the players is bullshit! He didn't score any points with me by allowing his team to lose this very winnable game. He says the clock is running out on RGIII. He'd better watch out because that same clock may run out on him if he doesn't show a stronger will to win now rather than a propensity to blame the players. He is starting to piss me off.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Gruden didn't make any adjustments. This particular loss is on him as much, if not more, than anyone else. Just blaming the players is bullshit! He didn't score any points with me by allowing his team to lose this very winnable game. He says the clock is running out on RGIII. He'd better watch out because that same clock may run out on him if he doesn't show a stronger will to win now rather than a propensity to blame the players. He is starting to piss me off.

What adjustments could Gruden have made? He gave the ball to Alfred Morris - Morris did his part. The offensive line couldn't do theirs, but RGIII looked as lost yesterday as he did a week ago against Tampa. The only adjustment Gruden could have made would have been benching RGIII.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

What adjustments could Gruden have made? He gave the ball to Alfred Morris - Morris did his part. The offensive line couldn't do theirs, but RGIII looked as lost yesterday as he did a week ago against Tampa. The only adjustment Gruden could have made would have been benching RGIII.

As I said above, he could have given Moses some help or replaced him.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

As I said above, he could have given Moses some help or replaced him.

Replace with who? Compton cant plat LT. Hes barely learning how to play RT and hes good enough to take Polumbus place. So who exactly do we put in there?

[irish]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Gruden didn't make any adjustments. This particular loss is on him as much, if not more, than anyone else. Just blaming the players is bullshit! He didn't score any points with me by allowing his team to lose this very winnable game. He says the clock is running out on RGIII. He'd better watch out because that same clock may run out on him if he doesn't show a stronger will to win now rather than a propensity to blame the players. He is starting to piss me off.

He didnt blame the players, he blamed the coaches. He said they have to do a better job of simplifying the play calling for the QB and O-Line that they have now. I read that as he recognized that the current players assembled on O dont have the skills to run an NFL caliber offense and the coaches have to adjust better to work with the talent they have.

I think JG has a very strong will to win but is IMO being hampered by having to figure out how to make one player into an NFL QB apparently at the expense of 51 other players.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by irish

He didnt blame the players, he blamed the coaches. He said they have to do a better job of simplifying the play calling for the QB and O-Line that they have now. I read that as he recognized that the current players assembled on O dont have the skills to run an NFL caliber offense and the coaches have to adjust better to work with the talent they have.

I think JG has a very strong will to win but is IMO being hampered by having to figure out how to make one player into an NFL QB apparently at the expense of 51 other players.

I agree with this assessment of Gruden's current predicament.

Does he stop trying to instill an NFL passing playbook 11 games into his first HC job and just call the junk that got garcon 113 catches last year (drags, screens, crosses = plays that dont require timing, anticipation or reading a key defender)

or

Does he continue to struggle trying to find a balance of what RG3 can do and still utilizing his playbook. Week in, week out seems like it is trial and error with a lot of fails.

Mcvay was here the last couple years so i imagine he is telling gruden what kinda worked last year...

idk .. tough to ask a rookie HC to swallow his pride and vision and replace it with HS stuff that still wont win but make your star Qb look less horrible .... even if it is a mirage.

[irish]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

I agree with this assessment of Gruden's current predicament.

Does he stop trying to instill an NFL passing playbook 11 games into his first HC job and just call the junk that got garcon 113 catches last year (drags, screens, crosses = plays that dont require timing, anticipation or reading a key defender)

or

Does he continue to struggle trying to find a balance of what RG3 can do and still utilizing his playbook. Week in, week out seems like it is trial and error with a lot of fails.

Mcvay was here the last couple years so i imagine he is telling gruden what kinda worked last year...

idk .. tough to ask a rookie HC to swallow his pride and vision and replace it with HS stuff that still wont win but make your star Qb look less horrible .... even if it is a mirage.

I dont really know what should be done but what I do know is that this isnt the developmental league, its the NFL. At some point this coach/organization has to decide if it wants to place more emphasis on developing a single player or on winning games because it seems at this point the two are mutually exclusive.

[BaltimoreSkins]

While the o-line is not great they are only part of the problem. Robert had us in position to win in the 4th quarter and while he did not play well I don't see how Gruden can bench him when the game is as close as it was. I want them to evaluate Robert and part of that is seeing how he does when he is stinking it up but the game is still winnable.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

While the o-line is not great they are only part of the problem. Robert had us in position to win in the 4th quarter and while he did not play well I don't see how Gruden can bench him when the game is as close as it was. I want them to evaluate Robert and part of that is seeing how he does when he is stinking it up but the game is still winnable.

I get your point. I suppose what he did is valid, as much as I hate it. But why didn't he give Moses some help?

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I get your point. I suppose what he did is valid, as much as I hate it. But why didn't he give Moses some help?

I have definitely questioned some of Gruden's decisions this season. This would be one of them.

[Evilgrin]

I think they have seen enough from Griffin, unfortunately he is just extremely limited right now. He might be inactive by the end of the season IMO. They only have 1 QB they can win games with, and he is really meant to be a backup. I suppose its time to just move on, but at least rebuild the lines before bringing in another young QB.

[JoeRedskin]

Watching Griffin play QB is really painful which is a huge shame. I am pulling hard for him but I just don't see him being able to turn it around. Too much fundamentally wrong with his play.

[HailGreen28]

After watching Rodgers creating the time and space he needed moving in the backfield, Bridgewater running and sliding, and Brady and Luck passing, it was very frustrating watching Griffin doing none of that well.