Right Tackle and Free Safety

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think succumbing to the natural tendency to solve every roster spot in the first season is how you get yourself into trouble. Scot McCloughan has laid out a clear vision for the kind of player he wants on this team: eats sleeps breathes football, bigger is better though not the end all be all, has an incredible passion inside to be great, build from the trenches out, etc.



The last thing you want to do is bastardize that vision just because you have a need. I wouldn't just pick up the next best safety or RT to fill a hole. I would accept that in 2015 we're going to have a hole or two.



I would stay McCloughan's course. Continue bringing in free agents for visits. Continue to interview them and assess their inner passion and inner drive. Continue watching tape until I get a headache. And continue calling their high school coaches to get a sense of their character.



And if after doing all that I still haven't found a FS or RT who I think is a diamond in the rough, then I roll with Compton and Phillip Thomas.



The goal is not to make the playoffs this year. The goal is to win a Super Bowl sometime in the intermediate future.

Nailed it.

[Skinzman]

I think this is the year to find a RT to start developing, but that doesnt mean the problem will be solved this year. Hopefully this year will solve the problem for the future. I agree with what Schneed said, stay the course and understand that Rome wasnt built in a day... and neither was the Seattle Seahawks.

[los panda]

i played right tackle in pop warner

[JoeRedskin]

Here's the thing ... I think Scot McC has a long term plan to build the team with, as Schneed indicated, certain types of players. Holes will be plugged as necessary but not unless the pluggee fits McC's long term plan.

It's a process folks. What we've seen in free agency is a glimpse of it. Given that, I am cautiously optimistic.

[Schneed10]

Yeah safety is a spot where you can find players in the mid rounds. You won't get a Sean Taylor but at the same time with McC's history it's not unreasonable to expect a contributor. Still need the chips to fall your way in the draft, but he can fill that spot.

As for right tackle, if a RT is the best player on the board at our 2nd rounder, then ideal. But I wouldn't draft for need, I'd still draft BPA, even if it means we have to start Compton or Moses.

I'm counting on McCloughan to start geting us the guys who we'll never let hit the free agent market. It's easy to look around at free agency and set your expectations for available talent based on that. But it's important to remember that it consists almost entirely of B level players. The A level players never make it to free agency, except for the very rare Ndamakung Suh exception, teams lock up those players to extensions before they ever sniff free agency. Like we'll surely do with Trent and Kerrigan.

We need the A level guys. I hope McC drafts according to his vision for successful NFL players, position and need be damned.

If we get the next Luke Kuechly in the 3rd round and we have to start Tom Compton at RT, I'm definitely good with that over the long haul.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think succumbing to the natural tendency to solve every roster spot in the first season is how you get yourself into trouble. Scot McCloughan has laid out a clear vision for the kind of player he wants on this team: eats sleeps breathes football, bigger is better though not the end all be all, has an incredible passion inside to be great, build from the trenches out, etc.

The last thing you want to do is bastardize that vision just because you have a need. I wouldn't just pick up the next best safety or RT to fill a hole. I would accept that in 2015 we're going to have a hole or two.

I would stay McCloughan's course. Continue bringing in free agents for visits. Continue to interview them and assess their inner passion and inner drive. Continue watching tape until I get a headache. And continue calling their high school coaches to get a sense of their character.

And if after doing all that I still haven't found a FS or RT who I think is a diamond in the rough, then I roll with Compton and Phillip Thomas.

The goal is not to make the playoffs this year. The goal is to win a Super Bowl sometime in the intermediate future.

This made we get a little misty eyed. How long has it been since this team has embraced a dynastic view of team building that SM is apparently carrying out........

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by los panda

i played right tackle in pop warner

By your own admission, you're over 30 years old. For that reason, I'd say we'd be better off drafting a RT to develop. Sorry.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Polumbus?! Please change your location from "close to the edge" to "gone over the edge".

Lol, got em, nicely played.

I'm pretty satisfied with our free agency hall, I wouldn't mind if no one else was signed. I'd rather lock up Kerrigan and Williams for the next 5 years or so then find a free safety and right tackle in draft. Ideally we trade down and get one of the right tackles that are ranked as end of 1st round types then use other picks to round out secondary.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think succumbing to the natural tendency to solve every roster spot in the first season is how you get yourself into trouble. Scot McCloughan has laid out a clear vision for the kind of player he wants on this team: eats sleeps breathes football, bigger is better though not the end all be all, has an incredible passion inside to be great, build from the trenches out, etc.

The last thing you want to do is bastardize that vision just because you have a need. I wouldn't just pick up the next best safety or RT to fill a hole. I would accept that in 2015 we're going to have a hole or two.

I would stay McCloughan's course. Continue bringing in free agents for visits. Continue to interview them and assess their inner passion and inner drive. Continue watching tape until I get a headache. And continue calling their high school coaches to get a sense of their character.

And if after doing all that I still haven't found a FS or RT who I think is a diamond in the rough, then I roll with Compton and Phillip Thomas.

The goal is not to make the playoffs this year. The goal is to win a Super Bowl sometime in the intermediate future.

Boom. Roasted.


I'll add... getting a marginally more talented player to plug a hole for exceptionally more dollars has been our downfall for a while now. I'd rather be stuck with a crappy RT for one year than with a somewhat crappy RT for four years and a bunch of cap space. See Chester, Chris as an example.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Sure, an upgrade at Right Tackle is needed, but the 82 Hogs couldn't block for our starting QB. Bad QBs get sacked behind any line.

See Jason Campbell. Constantly under pressure, O-line blamed incessantly. Insert Todd Collins (not exactly a future hall of famer) and the pressure miraculously goes away.

The Line will play better when there's a capable QB behind them.

So which capable QB do you suggest we bring? Is there some rookie out there who will miraculously play well behind an average line? Not too many Andrew Lucks out there.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Personally I am more alarmed that we have no starting QB that we can count on.

............Bump

[Redskins_P]

Schneed10 hit on the head. You're not signing guys just to sign somebody. If there is no value at that position in FA or your draft position then you need to just roll with what you have until you find a true upgrade.

John Keim made a good point as well regarding the RT position.

John Keim: They were linked to two tackles: Derek Newton and Jermey Parnell. Newton re-signed with Houston; Parnell opted for Jacksonville. And once Bryan Bulaga re-signed with Green Bay, the tackle market turned bleak. I would be surprised if they don't make a move here, but there aren't great options left. Morgan Moses is dealing with his Lisfranc injury and we won't get any updates on that for a few weeks. My own opinion is there's no way he'd be ready to start this year. And I'm not sold on Tom Compton, but if nothing else at least he has experience. But I will say: Their season does not hinge on right tackle. They won 10 games with poor right tackle play in 2013; other teams win despite bad lines. Seattle's line wasn't great and the Patriots had issues at guard. They need to upgrade but the point is, don't panic now.

[Redskins_P]

Let's also not forget the impact Bill Callahan can make on our current line. Maybe some good coaching is all they need?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Let's also not forget the impact Bill Callahan can make on our current line. Maybe some good coaching is all they need?

Good point. Yeah completly agree with not making an irrational decision. I think most of the right tackles in free agency was were irrational contracts ..beluga, the cowboys backup Parnell(?) included. I think my original post stated just pointed out we needed starters still and what were the options. I think some have a hard time reading

But Callahan coming in could help tremendously.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Schneed10 hit on the head. You're not signing guys just to sign somebody. If there is no value at that position in FA or your draft position then you need to just roll with what you have until you find a true upgrade.

John Keim made a good point as well regarding the RT position.

John Keim: They were linked to two tackles: Derek Newton and Jermey Parnell. Newton re-signed with Houston; Parnell opted for Jacksonville. And once Bryan Bulaga re-signed with Green Bay, the tackle market turned bleak. I would be surprised if they don't make a move here, but there aren't great options left. Morgan Moses is dealing with his Lisfranc injury and we won't get any updates on that for a few weeks. My own opinion is there's no way he'd be ready to start this year. And I'm not sold on Tom Compton, but if nothing else at least he has experience. But I will say: Their season does not hinge on right tackle. They won 10 games with poor right tackle play in 2013; other teams win despite bad lines. Seattle's line wasn't great and the Patriots had issues at guard. They need to upgrade but the point is, don't panic now.

Well, Seattle doesn't depend on their passing play to win games and the Pats have a HoF'er QB that can play behind any line.

The Redskins season will hinge on how much they can move away from being QB dependent, focus on the run, and have this improved defense keeping the game manageable for the offense.