NFL Anthem Policy

[Defensewins]

Hyporacy in full display.
This is protected:


This was ok and unpunished at the Olympics:


But this WAS punished severely:


Sad that those trying raise public awareness of social injustice are punished and their intentions are high jacked by political hacks that try and change the narrative.
As a child I was falsely taught that what Juan Carlos and Tommie Smith did in the olympics was unpatriotic and wrong. Later I find out they were protesting and raising awareness of the beatings and killing of blacks during the civil rights movement,in the 60's. History later told the truth of what really was going on. The same will happen with Kapernick.

[OmahaRedskins]

I do not like the policy. Just make them stand and show some respect. If they do not want to, suspend them for 4 games. They have every right to protest, and the employer has every right to tell them to get bent.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences. In this case, Kap is now out of work and has plenty of time to protest.

[Kope]

I served over 20 years in combat arms units, been deployed alot. After seeing how people live and governments in alot of different countries across the world it reinforced the importance of the constitution and the bill of rights. I think it is flat wrong for sports to make a political stance. We have the right to say what we want. We have the right to assemble. We have the right to bear arms. We have the right to pursue happiness.

I believe there are more appropriate methods of protest in this case and would prefer the picked a more appropriate symbol. But I believe much more strongly that the players absolutely have the right to protest so I support the players.

The biggest problem this country has is the two major news networks citizens have access to make money by dividing people into red and blue, this and that. They make money by polarizing issues and demonizing opposing view points. It is not alot different than the yellow journalism of the Spanish American war....remember the Maine.

Extremism in any form is bad. When I run across a person who is supports entirely red or blue agendas I find them to be intolerant, close minded and unable to think for themselves. Every person I voluntarily spend time with support views from both sides of the spectrum.

The above two paragraphs are germane to the topic because this should not be an issue that requires a rule. The rules are in the constitution. This has been politicized by the media because it makes them money.

[CRedskinsRule]

I still say have a period of social awareness before the anthem, where the players can bring issues and solutions up. Then have everyone on field for the anthem. If the point is to raise awareness let's use Americas strengths to overcome our weaknesses.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I still say have a period of social awareness before the anthem, where the players can bring issues and solutions up. Then have everyone on field for the anthem. If the point is to raise awareness let's use Americas strengths to overcome our weaknesses.

But the ultimate strength is the anthem. If you believe your country is letting you down than you show your country that. Holding up a sign and than standing up in support of your country says “ im upset, but at the end of the day I support what we are”. And they do not. Nor should they. I hate to sound repetitive but NOBODY is protesting soldiers or songs or our flag. They are protesting what America seemingly stands for. So until racism is 100% dead - or at least dealt with by swift justice they should keep kneeling.


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[Daseal]

I agree with the changes the NFL made for a few reasons. It's not because of blind patriotism or anything of that matter. Quite frankly, the kneeling didn't affect me one way or another because I'm normally not even watching until kickoff happens. That said, the NFL was between a rock and a hard place.

1) They were losing money and viewers over people not standing for the anthem. While I don't consider it a disrespectful stance, I can understand why people feel it is disrespectful. When it comes down to it - people are not tuning in to watch because people are kneeling -- they sure as hell are tuning out because of the kneeling.

2) Most people can get behind the cause of keeping people from being assaulted/discriminated against. Leaving the ability to protest opens the NFL up to OTHER protests as well. You can't say it's okay to protest policy violence -- but then not allow players to protest other things. What if you have someone who wants to pose for Pro/Anti Abortion Rights? Pro/Anti Immigration Rights? Pick any Pro/Con stance and put it in there.

3) Lastly - the NFL isn't trying to silence anyone. Most of us, at our jobs would not be able to take a political stance in front of our customers, and we see significantly fewer than the NFL sees. However, in our off time we're free to use our money, time, and influence towards political causes if we like. NFL players are no different. In fact I bet owners and NFL Brass would even be willing to put forward some resources towards helping these causes.

TL;DR: Allowing protests during the anthem only causes the NFL to lose viewers - not gain them, the NFL then has to allow protests for other more controversial topics, and most of us every day folks wouldn't be allowed to make political stands at work.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I agree with the changes the NFL made for a few reasons. It's not because of blind patriotism or anything of that matter. Quite frankly, the kneeling didn't affect me one way or another because I'm normally not even watching until kickoff happens. That said, the NFL was between a rock and a hard place.



1) They were losing money and viewers over people not standing for the anthem. While I don't consider it a disrespectful stance, I can understand why people feel it is disrespectful. When it comes down to it - people are not tuning in to watch because people are kneeling -- they sure as hell are tuning out because of the kneeling.



2) Most people can get behind the cause of keeping people from being assaulted/discriminated against. Leaving the ability to protest opens the NFL up to OTHER protests as well. You can't say it's okay to protest policy violence -- but then not allow players to protest other things. What if you have someone who wants to pose for Pro/Anti Abortion Rights? Pro/Anti Immigration Rights? Pick any Pro/Con stance and put it in there.



3) Lastly - the NFL isn't trying to silence anyone. Most of us, at our jobs would not be able to take a political stance in front of our customers, and we see significantly fewer than the NFL sees. However, in our off time we're free to use our money, time, and influence towards political causes if we like. NFL players are no different. In fact I bet owners and NFL Brass would even be willing to put forward some resources towards helping these causes.



TL;DR: Allowing protests during the anthem only causes the NFL to lose viewers - not gain them, the NFL then has to allow protests for other more controversial topics, and most of us every day folks wouldn't be allowed to make political stands at work.

Watch what happens to the ratings if they do not allow the first amendment to take place.


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[Daseal]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Watch what happens to the ratings if they do not allow the first amendment to take place.


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This is not a 1st amendment case. The government isn't silencing anyone. This is a private entity doing what's best for them by putting legal rules on their employees - the employees are free to do these activities when they're not working.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Daseal

This is not a 1st amendment case. The government isn't silencing anyone. This is a private entity doing what's best for them by putting legal rules on their employees - the employees are free to do these activities when they're not working.

It is a first amendment case in which the owners are silencing someone. Remember one thing also - anyone can serve a burger or chart spread sheets with a little bit of training. Not everyone can play football at such a high level. These players hold alot more weight than you think. Who is going to tune in for a strike? Nobody.


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[Daseal]

Originally Posted by punch it in

It is a first amendment case in which the owners are silencing someone. Remember one thing also - anyone can serve a burger or chart spread sheets with a little bit of training. Not everyone can play football at such a high level. These players hold alot more weight than you think. Who is going to tune in for a strike? Nobody.


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Uhhhh, it's not. When it comes down to it - players are free to leave and viewers are free to tune out. It won't happen. The first amendment states:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

This is not being violated. You can not like the rule, and I understand why you dislike the rule. Everything about it is legal and I would guess that it would have significantly less ramifications than allowing the protests. Under the new rules, players ARE free to protest, but there will be a fine associated with it that they can pay if they like. My guess is the NFL will donate that money to charities that work on inequality issues.

[Chico23231]

Next collective bargaining, if I’m the players I’m working now to let the everybody know we taking the owners to the woodshed. Save your damn money now.

And with me...it has nothing to do with the issue...which I have my own thoughts on...but this is strictly the process of which goodell has handled this and several other issues. It’s time for the players to take a stand.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Next collective bargaining, if I’m the players I’m working now to let the everybody know we taking the owners to the woodshed. Save your damn money now.

And with me...it has nothing to do with the issue...which I have my own thoughts on...but this is strictly the process of which goodell has handled this and several other issues. It’s time for the players to take a stand.

I am rooting for a strike too, but for so many reasons other than the Anthem. I can't stand Goodell.

The average career is so short. The roster churn that results from such short careers really works against the players union being able to mount a sustained, united offensive.

[Chico23231]

Punch is triggered tonight

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Punch is triggered tonight

Not at all Chico. Enjoying the Yankee game with some friends and some beers. I will say if you are not triggered by the blatant racism that is trickling down into our country out of the White House these days than you need to work on your moral makeup. Good luck.


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