Around the League Week 4

[skinsfaninok]

I'm joking guys lol

[skinsfaninok]

I will say Haskins has the better OL and WR though which is not saying much

[MTK]

lol if we're using the Jets as an example of a QB stuck on a bad team why doesn't the same apply to Haskins?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

lol if we're using the Jets as an example of a QB stuck on a bad team why doesn't the same apply to Haskins?

Because...stuff? LOL.

[irish]

Originally Posted by MTK

lol if we're using the Jets as an example of a QB stuck on a bad team why doesn't the same apply to Haskins?

It does. My point is that if Darnold or Haskins were on better run/coached organizations they could be better at this point. Unfortunately they are on two of the worst franchises in the NFL that have been terrible for a long time. Their chances of success are minimal.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by irish

It does. My point is that if Darnold or Haskins were on better run/coached organizations they could be better at this point. Unfortunately they are on two of the worst franchises in the NFL that have been terrible for a long time. Their chances of success are minimal.

With Haskins, he was a rookie QB on a team whose coach (Gruden) did not want him and was not interested in developing. He then started in a handful of game under and interim coach and the remnants of a hastily put together team.

And this year, despite having a better situation in terms of coaching and to a better overall structure of the team (no more Bruce Allen), Haskins has been hindered by having a brand new coaching staff, no offseason, and a lack of weapons on offense.

Aside from Daniel Jones, I believe no other rookie or young QB in the league has gone through this.

Because of all of this, Haskins should be given most of the season to develop. I am concerned that this terrible starting situation, may have deeply affected and could lead to the team needing a QB next year (Giants will be QB shopping as well). But still, it doesn't help the team in the long term to pull the plug on Haskins early in the season.

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

With Haskins, he was a rookie QB on a team whose coach (Gruden) did not want him and was not interested in developing. He then started in a handful of game under and interim coach and the remnants of a hastily put together team.

And this year, despite having a better situation in terms of coaching and to a better overall structure of the team (no more Bruce Allen), Haskins has been hindered by having a brand new coaching staff, no offseason, and a lack of weapons on offense.

Aside from Daniel Jones, I believe no other rookie or young QB in the league has gone through this.

Because of all of this, Haskins should be given most of the season to develop. I am concerned that this terrible starting situation, may have deeply affected and could lead to the team needing a QB next year (Giants will be QB shopping as well). But still, it doesn't help the team in the long term to pull the plug on Haskins early in the season.

Many won't but I agree.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

With Haskins, he was a rookie QB on a team whose coach (Gruden) did not want him and was not interested in developing. He then started in a handful of game under and interim coach and the remnants of a hastily put together team.

And this year, despite having a better situation in terms of coaching and to a better overall structure of the team (no more Bruce Allen), Haskins has been hindered by having a brand new coaching staff, no offseason, and a lack of weapons on offense.

Aside from Daniel Jones, I believe no other rookie or young QB in the league has gone through this.

Because of all of this, Haskins should be given most of the season to develop. I am concerned that this terrible starting situation, may have deeply affected and could lead to the team needing a QB next year (Giants will be QB shopping as well). But still, it doesn't help the team in the long term to pull the plug on Haskins early in the season.

I agree. He started in a bad situation and it didnt get much better considering he had no offseason to work with his new coaching staff and system. Its way too early to pull the plug on him.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

With Haskins, he was a rookie QB on a team whose coach (Gruden) did not want him and was not interested in developing. He then started in a handful of game under and interim coach and the remnants of a hastily put together team.



And this year, despite having a better situation in terms of coaching and to a better overall structure of the team (no more Bruce Allen), Haskins has been hindered by having a brand new coaching staff, no offseason, and a lack of weapons on offense.



Aside from Daniel Jones, I believe no other rookie or young QB in the league has gone through this.



Because of all of this, Haskins should be given most of the season to develop. I am concerned that this terrible starting situation, may have deeply affected and could lead to the team needing a QB next year (Giants will be QB shopping as well). But still, it doesn't help the team in the long term to pull the plug on Haskins early in the season.

Great breakdown of Jason Campbell! Oh, wait...were talking about Haskins.

Short and sweet, he is utter garbage. No awareness, no drive, no leadership abilities, can't admit mistakes, got by in college due to GOBS of talent around him and a strong arm.

He is Jamarcus Russell light.

We are doing the team a DISSERVICE by even entertaining the fact that Haskins could be a start in the NFL.

[MTK]

It's just crazy to me after 3 starts with a new staff people are ready to move on from Haskins. Pure crazy.

Maybe he ends up a bust, who knows? But it's way too early to know how this is going to go.

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by MTK

It's just crazy to me after 3 starts with a new staff people are ready to move on from Haskins. Pure crazy.

Maybe he ends up a bust, who knows? But it's way too early to know how this is going to go.

The fundamentals and accuracy haven't improved by year 2. That is an enormous red flag. I really thought it'd be better in 2020 after the reports. Haven't seen it yet and have no reason to believe it will.

If Haskins busts this year, I would consider Darnold next year if Lawrence/Fields aren't in play (doubtful). Darnold's accuracy and fundamentals are superior to Haskins, and I would give him look.

Hope Dwayne comes around. I still maintain this staff will give Allen a real look this year if Haskins continues to struggle. It would be unwise not to if Haskins/the season is a lost cause.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Skinsinator

The fundamentals and accuracy haven't improved by year 2. That is an enormous red flag. I really thought it'd be better in 2020 after the reports. Haven't seen it yet and have no reason to believe it will.

If Haskins busts this year, I would consider Darnold next year if Lawrence/Fields aren't in play (doubtful). Darnold's accuracy and fundamentals are superior to Haskins, and I would give him look.

Hope Dwayne comes around. I still maintain this staff will give Allen a real look this year if Haskins continues to struggle. It would be unwise not to if Haskins/the season is a lost cause.

A red flag with an asterisk due to the lack of a true offseason with OTA's, IMO.

I don't really see Darnold has being much more advanced especially since he's being coached by a supposed QB guru. Just not a big fan of his.

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by MTK

A red flag with an asterisk due to the lack of a true offseason with OTA's, IMO.

I don't really see Darnold has being much more advanced especially since he's being coached by a supposed QB guru. Just not a big fan of his.

None of the other qbs had that luxury either. Haskins' completion percentage is low at this point around 56%. He had the entire offseason to improve his fundamentals/accuracy. Not done. I just don't think people are being realistic about how alarming this is. ANY pro qb should have decent fundamentals: footwork, throwing motion, pocket awareness, accuracy etc. Haskins' fundamentals so far in his career have not been good. This is the main reason he struggles. He has the arm/size/emotions. The accuracy is terrible because the fundamentals are flawed.

On Darnold, I don't know what to think of him but you need to realize that if Haskins/Allen don't work out and we don't suck bad enough to get Lawrence/Fields, there will be minimum options available at qb next year. Darnold might not look that bad at that point. His completion percentage for his career is at least in the 60s and have seen him throw some good deep balls.

I'm not ready to give up on Haskins but have been disappointed thus far in 2020. Really thought we'd see improvement. Hope it comes and is consistent.

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by The Skinsinator

None of the other qbs had that luxury either. Haskins' completion percentage is low at this point around 56%. He had the entire offseason to improve his fundamentals/accuracy.

What offseason? NO OTA's, no mini camp, limited camp and no preseason. Just when was he going to get one on one physical time with a coach and some receivers to improve his mechanics? Zoom meetings aren't gong to get that shit done.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by MTK

It's just crazy to me after 3 starts with a new staff people are ready to move on from Haskins. Pure crazy.

Maybe he ends up a bust, who knows? But it's way too early to know how this is going to go.

Agreed.

Haskins is in year one and a half IMO, considering how badly coached a team and how toxic a situation he was in.

We one week 1, lost to a very good team week 2 in a game where he didn't do that many mistakes, and lost because of him and the head coach not trying to win week 3. It's way too early to wrap it up.