Gardner to Panthers

[coachdavid]

My understanding is that the best we can hope for is a 6th. To get a 5th would mean he makes the pro bowl. A 6th means that he starts over 70% of their games or plays in a high % of their offensive plays. Prediction: 6th rounder. Now, we must get all draft picks signed and in camp.

[illdefined]

FINALLY. i always hated holding my breath extra long every time the ball was in the air going to ol' 'fiddyfiddy'. what's the purpose of size if you can't catch the clutch ones? better to replace him with speed to at least stretch the field out for Portis and Cooley.

still, he was as good as gone, why didn't the cats wait till we released him?

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by illdefined

FINALLY. i always hated holding my breath extra long every time the ball was in the air going to ol' 'fiddyfiddy'. what's the purpose of size if you can't catch the clutch ones? better to replace him with speed to at least stretch the field out for Portis and Cooley.

still, he was as good as gone, why didn't the cats wait till we released him?

This way the are garanteed to get him, if the waited they would have to compete for all of the droping hotness

That 2 million of base salary, does that mean anything to us?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by illdefined

still, he was as good as gone, why didn't the cats wait till we released him?

His price would only go up as a free agent

[That Guy]

that means we get 2$mill in cap space back to pay for our rookie 1st rounders... and we're responsible for the 1.5$ thats left (so we bought a 6th round draft pick for 1.5$mill)...

its a good deal for them and we got more than a case of beer, BUT we could have gotten a 4th rounder for him before the draft and released barrow before the 2005 season too so its still a FO blunder, just with a partial recovery.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by That Guy

that means we get 2$mill in cap space back to pay for our rookie 1st rounders... and we're responsible for the 1.5$ thats left (so we bought a 6th round draft pick for 1.5$mill)...

its a good deal for them and we got more than a case of beer, BUT we could have gotten a 4th rounder for him before the draft and released barrow before the 2005 season too so its still a FO blunder, just with a partial recovery.

How could they have gotten a 4th before the draft?

Was an official offer on the table and the Skins turned it down?

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by That Guy

its a good deal for them and we got more than a case of beer, BUT we could have gotten a 4th rounder for him before the draft and released barrow before the 2005 season too so its still a FO blunder, just with a partial recovery.

I'm not so sure that's true. There was a lot of speculation that the Skins were holding out for a 3rd rounder, but I never heard that they had a solid offer from any team for a 4th. My understanding is that no team wanted to risk a high or mid round draft pick on a guy who didn't appear willing to sign a long-term deal. If the skins would have had a solid offer for a 4th rounder, I think they might have taken it.

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by That Guy

that means we get 2$mill in cap space back to pay for our rookie 1st rounders... and we're responsible for the 1.5$ thats left (so we bought a 6th round draft pick for 1.5$mill)...

its a good deal for them and we got more than a case of beer, BUT we could have gotten a 4th rounder for him before the draft and released barrow before the 2005 season too so its still a FO blunder, just with a partial recovery.

The $2 million they are paying is his base salary. It sounds like we aren't paying out any money (or a negligible amount, if we are) other than the bonus monies he has already received.

I don't think anyone expected signing bonus to be refunded - and even if it was, I don't think it could be applied to the cap.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by That Guy

that means we get 2$mill in cap space back to pay for our rookie 1st rounders... and we're responsible for the 1.5$ thats left (so we bought a 6th round draft pick for 1.5$mill)...

We save $2.1M in salary and we incur a deadcap charge for Gardner in 2005. My sheets say $660K but it may be closer to $1.2M. Don't think it's as high as $1.5M though.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

It's just nice to see him packaged up and gone. And no, I don't think there was an offer on the table. Teams WERE offering a 4th rounder but he was wanting that contract extension.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Sorry for the repeat. I'm just too slow of a typer I guess.

[paulskinsfan]

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS
Seems like only yesterday I was reading posts on thewarpath.net saying how stupid the FO was for allowing Gardner and Barrow to seek trades. That who would be so stupid as to trade for either when they would just be released soon anyway

Well anyway, now the ball's in McCant's court so to speak...time for him to step up



The front office bashers seem kinda quiet now..."


Yeah Matty, getting a 7th rounder for a former 1st round pick really changes my opinion of the front office. You are sooo right, I should shut my mouth, whatever was I thinking? This is nothing to high five each other about, its a sad day really as a first round pick hits the door for next to nothing. Gardner has real talent and he'll do well in Carolina. So, lets evaluate this front office on their moves since Gibbs got there:

1. Traded Bailey AND a 2nd rounder for Portis.
2. Traded for Mark Brunell, gave him a giant contract with a crippling signing bonus.
3. Traded disgruntled WR Coles to the Jets for Santana Moss. Moss held out.
4. Traded the 2005 third and a 2006 first and fourth round pick for Denver’s 25th overall.
5. Traded a 2001 first rounder to Carolina for a 6th or 7th round choice. In all fairness Gardner was going to be released for salary cap purposes.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

lets evaluate this front office on their moves since Gibbs got there:

1. Traded Bailey AND a 2nd rounder for Portis.
2. Traded for Mark Brunell, gave him a giant contract with a crippling signing bonus.
3. Traded disgruntled WR Coles to the Jets for Santana Moss. Moss held out.
4. Traded the 2005 third and a 2006 first and fourth round pick for Denver’s 25th overall.
5. Traded a 2001 first rounder to Carolina for a 6th or 7th round choice. In all fairness Gardner was going to be released for salary cap purposes.

1. Drafted Sean Taylor (I know, he's a meathead off the field) but he's a major talent
2. Drafted Chris Cooley
3. Signed Shawn Springs
4. Signed Cornelius Griffin
5. Signed Marcus Washington
6. Traded for Clinton Portis, one of the best running backs in the league who just turned only 23
7. Moss held out of what? voluntary OTAs? So what?
8. And so on...

[Redskins_P]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Quote:
This is nothing to high five each other about, its a sad day really as a first round pick hits the door for next to nothing. Gardner has real talent and he'll do well in Carolina.

paulskinsfan, what did you expect the Redskins to get for Gardner? Who cares if he's a former first round pick? He never lived up to it. Thats why when our great FO tried to get a 3rd round pick for him, no one thought he was worth it. What does that tell you? If all they can get is 6th round pick, then take it. It's better than getting nothing.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Yeah Matty, getting a 7th rounder for a former 1st round pick really changes my opinion of the front office. You are sooo right, I should shut my mouth, whatever was I thinking? This is nothing to high five each other about, its a sad day really as a first round pick hits the door for next to nothing. Gardner has real talent and he'll do well in Carolina.

So much "real talent" that after being on the market for about 6 months the best offer the Redskins got was a sixth round pick.

And by implication, does the whole "former 1st round pick" analysis mean that the Ealges have a worse front office than us because they let Fraudie Mitchell go outright and received nothing in return? I'm not sure I see the point there. It's not like where you are drafted is a guarantee that you'll be worth your salt in the NFL. That's like saying Joey Harrington is worth a higher pick in a trade than Tom Brady because Harrington was a former first rounder and Brady was a 7th. Sorry, I just don't see the connection.