Putting Things in Perspective

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by gortiz

giving up no sacks for 4 Qtr's IS A BIG DEAL

Yes it is. Especially when you consider how good the Panthers defense is and how much we passed the ball.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

I just wish Ramsey would step up and settle this! It's gonna drive me nuts if we have to spend the next month bashing this back and forth--and if it bleeds into the season, oy.

It won't bleed into the season, becaus the main point that the people defending the guy are trying to make is that its the firs preseason game. Thats all. It doesn't mean shit, and if you watched any more football this weekend, most of the first stringers didn't look good. They're off their game.

Believe me if the guy is throwing ducks and picks on into the season, I'll be calling to bench him... but he's not. People are jumping the gun wayy to quick. I know this because I'm way too quick to call for a change when somethings not workin, and if he goes 4 for 20 with 4 picks in the last preseason game, I'll be worried.

I think alot of us are saying the same thing here, He DOES need to step up. I just support the guy as much as I can (with my puny existance) while he does it.

[JWsleep]

Obviously, one of the reasons everyone is so jumpy about this issue is tht we're so tired of not having a serious offensive team. I'm behind Ramsey 100%--it's just that everytime he doesn't go out there and light it up, I get more and more nervous... I know, I know, I should suck it up and stop worrying--but I cannot take losing to Dallas anymore. Or NY. Or Philly. Its driving me nuts!

So I too will support Ramsey as much as I can (with my even punier existence), but he better get his SH** straight soon, or I am going to loose it! We are the WASHINGTON REDSKINS, DAMN IT!!! Do not overthrow the sideline out or underthrow the friggin fly pattern! Step up and make the play! MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE DEPENDING ON YOU!

Whew! Rant over! Sorry about that!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

I agree about Ramsey seeming to try to put more touch on his passes, like I said before, this whole touch thing is kinda new to a guy who has a rocket launcher for an arm.

Another posititve I thought was that we still had all three time-outs left at the end of the 1st half...

Great obsevation RED!

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by bigm29

wasnt the o-line amazing last year in pre-season too. and i think we all know what happened with that.

Well...no they weren't. Jansen got hurt in the 1st preseason game last year and the line never recovered. Our O line is going to be very good. I didn't think the team as a whole looked very sharp, but it's one game and everyone was just poised to begin the bashing if we didn't put up 30 points. I saw this coming weeks in advance. NONE of it matters. Only thing I care about is Sept 11, week one, Redskins/Bears. When the bullets are live is when we'll really know what kind of team we have. I have a feeling that when the Washington Redskins march into Dallas on Monday night, week 2, our team will be frothing at the mouth and ready to put a smack down. Just a feeling... Keep the faith, gents and don't let a poor preseason suck all the air and enthusiasm out of you. Remember...these games, while showing us a little something, ultimately don't count.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

Well...no they weren't. Jansen got hurt in the 1st preseason game last year and the line never recovered. Our O line is going to be very good. I didn't think the team as a whole looked very sharp, but it's one game and everyone was just poised to begin the bashing if we didn't put up 30 points. I saw this coming weeks in advance. NONE of it matters. Only thing I care about is Sept 11, week one, Redskins/Bears. When the bullets are live is when we'll really know what kind of team we have. I have a feeling that when the Washington Redskins march into Dallas on Monday night, week 2, our team will be frothing at the mouth and ready to put a smack down. Just a feeling... Keep the faith, gents and don't let a poor preseason suck all the air and enthusiasm out of you. Remember...these games, while showing us a little something, ultimately don't count.

I just remember hearing that and saying it all last preseason (he's hiding his offense, vanilla, etc) and then figuring out he wasn't hiding all that much

I agree though, i'm not gonna worry unless we look bad in the bears game, but there is at least a little credence in "you are what you are."

I watched the iggles game and mcnabb had no trouble passing to a bunch of no name waiver wire trash (against a steelers D that, admittedly, wasn't blitzing much). I understand ramsey isn't as good as mcnabb, but his receivers are better and the passing game didn't look half as good, so i'm hoping that they can get this on track like the protection did last week.

I NEVER want to see a 2 yard dump off when its 3rd and 5 ever again. The oline seems to have their part now, portis has been good even without any passing, but QB/WR/scheme still aren't there yet (though things like shotgun 3/4 wide etc have been added to help the scheme).

[MTK]

McNabb has also been in the same system for how long now?

There's no comparing Ramsey and McNabb right now. They're leagues apart in terms of experience, games started, etc.

[Schneed10]

I TIVO'd the replay on NFL Network and checked it out last night. My thoughts:

Ramsey made tremendous decisions. He saw the field well and all but one of his throws were directed at an open receiver. On those 3 misses, 2 were overthrows to David Patten where Patten was at least 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. The third was the dismal deep interception. In those misses, the receiver was open and Ramsey just missed him. So for me, the results are mixed. Ramsey appears to have a really good grasp of the offense and he seems to be reading the defense really well. He never made any mental errors. But he just flat out missed on all 3 of the deeper passes, which is troubling. I don't care how much speed you have at WR, if the QB can't get the ball there accurately, then you're not much of a threat to go deep. It's only preseason of course, but I'll be watching to see if Ramsey improves his deep accuracy. Other than that, I loved him. And kudos to the O-line for giving him enough time to read the defense.

I also LOVED Mark Brunell. My two biggest complaints about the Skins offense when Brunell was playing last year:
1) The offensive line was a seive and he got chased all over the place.
2) His arm was weak and erratic.

Last night his arm looked great, which has nothing to do with the skill level of the defense. His throws were much crisper than last year. And they appeared pretty accurate. And of course, the offensive line showed they could shut down the opposing pass rush, no matter what string was playing.

I don't want to overreact to one game, so I'm still behind Ramsey and want to see him improve his deep accuracy. But I'm not afraid of Mark Brunell at all this year. Not one bit. And if Ramsey doesn't get it together on the deep passes before the preseason ends, I'll stand up and say it right now, I'll be calling for Mark Brunell against the Bears. He looked good.

All that said, it's one preseason game. I need to see more. I was definitely encouraged by the QBs' understanding of the offense. Let's see what happens against the Bengals.

PS After watching the game, I realized what a different perspective you gain from watching the game and scrutinizing than you do from just looking at the stats.

[Schneed10]

By the way, on third downs, I can't fault the QBs for throwing to a receiver short of the first down marker. It's the receiver's job to run a route past the first down marker. It's tough to expect a QB to read the defense, worry about the pass rush, find his receivers, and then on top of that expect him to know how far each receiver is from the first down marker. The QB has enough to worry about already, he needs to operate under the assumption that the receivers are far enough for a first down.

So I want to see the receivers quit running routes short of the first down marker. That's their fault. Shouldn't be too hard to correct.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

By the way, on third downs, I can't fault the QBs for throwing to a receiver short of the first down marker. It's the receiver's job to run a route past the first down marker. It's tough to expect a QB to read the defense, worry about the pass rush, find his receivers, and then on top of that expect him to know how far each receiver is from the first down marker. The QB has enough to worry about already, he needs to operate under the assumption that the receivers are far enough for a first down.

So I want to see the receivers quit running routes short of the first down marker. That's their fault. Shouldn't be too hard to correct.

I too Tivo'd the game and watched it last night, and I agree with most of your posts. Ramsey was making good decisions, he just was not getting the ball there. With his arm, there is no excuse for making that interception on the fly pattern, all he has to do is air it out. Hell most of us could've made that pick, just jump up over the little guy and grab the underthrown ball. I was also surprised to see the zip that Brunnell put on the ball, that simply was not there last year, but Im not about to become a Mark Brunnell fan based on one preseason appearance. Khary Campbell really disappointed me, so did Rufus Brown.

[firstdown]

One thing everyone needs to remember is that Gibbs only used 7 running plays and a few passing schems. Gibbs is a coach that will use very little of his play book in preseason. I think most of the changes made during the off season will not be seen until the season opener. I'm a big fan of this. Why give teams stuff to game plan on and why show what changes we have made until then.

[Kope]

I just wish Ramsey would step up and settle this! It's gonna drive me nuts if we have to spend the next month bashing this back and forth--and if it bleeds into the season, oy.

Thus it has been and shall be evermore....w/ Gibbs and QBs

Was the same w/ Schrader/Ryp/Doug Williams/ Humpheries.....etc.

Drove me nuts back then too.

[gortiz]

Originally Posted by offiss

Great obsevation RED!

Very, very good observation - besides not scoring our offense was horrible at clock management, we didn't waste a timeout, our get busted by the play clock, sounds petty, but its an improvement!

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by Kope

Thus it has been and shall be evermore....w/ Gibbs and QBs

Was the same w/ Schrader/Ryp/Doug Williams/ Humpheries.....etc.

Drove me nuts back then too.

I know, Kope, I know. I can live with it if we get back to our winning ways.

[crlesh]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

... I want to see the receivers quit running routes short of the first down marker. That's their fault.

Amen... QB's gotta have help. Not everything is his responsibility, although he is the leader and should make sure the receivers know where to make their breaks...

Before too long we'll be blaming Ramsey or Brunell (take your pick) for all sorts of things... like for McDonald's weak breakfast hours, or cold toilet seats, or for Jessica Simpson's butt turning flat again...