Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread

[hurrykaine]

Hi all...back after a long hiatus, though have stealthily visited the site from time to time without posting. Nice to get a win, and good to see the O-line be able to produce a number of smashmouth running plays, and a few long pass plays against a tough and stingy defense. Much better blitz pickup ability than last year.

Never thought I'd be saying this after the way Brunell stunk up the joint last year, but this year, he looks like a different QB.

Right now, MB gives us the best chance to win. Ramsey is too inconsistent, slow to make decisions, and turnover prone. In a little over a quarter of action, Ramsey threw an INT and fumbled twice (one of which was a turnover after he got leveled). Both fumbles were caused by him not getting rid of the ball fast enough. He has become too predictable for opposing defenses - they all know that blitzing him often will force him into poor decisions and lead to turnovers. I shudder to think of what Dallas will do to us next week with Ramsey at QB.

While, I'm at it, another fumble or key drop by Antonio Brown, and he should be cut. Starting players because they have great potential (cannon armstrength or blazing speed) is useless if those players are turnover prone.

If Gibbs decides to start PR next week, he should be on a tight leash - win the game for us against the Cowboys, or Brunell starts - of course, Ramsey shouldn't be threatened with this, since we all know how that could be disastrous for his psyche. However, if he can't put up decent points against Dallas like, say Drew Brees did today, Gibbs should announce Brunell the starter the following week. I'm sick of hearing about Ramsey's potential without him producing tangible, consistent results.

[overthehillgang]

Gibbs does not like Ramsey. He thinks Ramsey turns the ball over too much. Gibbs would rather roll the dice with Brunell who can't throw the ball downfield. What happened to the zip he had in preseason?

I find myself torn between pulling for the Skins and pulling against Brunell.

[NYCSkin]

Ramsey getting injured gave Gibbs the easy way out. Brunell is his guy. I think he figures if his QB doesn't make mistakes, then between Portis and the D, that should keep things close and we can win/lose on late field goals. With Ramsey there is the risk of a three int, two fumble game in Gibbs' mind. Even with our defense that would be tough to overcome. Even the best defense in the league has a tough time when given a short field (like today after Brown's fumble).

[sniks]

Been reading the posts on this board for a couple months now and enjoy it very much.Ive been a redskins fan for manny many years.I live in CT. so i get alot of info on the team from the WARPATH.You guys r doing a great job!!!!! I think joe gibbs is a god after all he won 3 superbowls with 3 different QB's.I also think he wants ramsey to run the team but ramsey isnt showing him anything to have cofidence in him.The real problem is Brunnel isnt either and gibbs is the 1 who went and got him.I am glad we won today, but it looks like nothing has changed.I am having a hard time understanding why we cant score points.Barring an injury,I guess the bottom line is gibbs has to settle this QB situation now and stick with him no matter what happens.There is too much talent on this offense NOT to be able to score points.In my opinion it should be Ramsey

[skinsguy]

Not sure why people are having a hard time realizing we were up against a tough defense...

As matter of fact...The Bears were pretty much a mirror image of us...

[skinsfan0201]

Give Ramsey a chance and have faith, he still may be the Quarterback of the future! -If you don't believe, we won't achieve.

[sniks]

That is true,it was a formidable bears defense.But we didnt play defenses like that every game last year or in the preseason this year.Dont get me wrong a win is a win no matter how many points you score,but that will catch up to you eventually.We wittnessed that last year.

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

As I've said in other threads, there isn't a clear-cut answer to the Ramsey-Brunell debate. However, I would like to see Gibbs give the same support for Ramsey that he gave Brunell last year. It does make me wonder a bit when Gibbs seems ready to yank Ramsey and plug in Brunell at the first opportunity.

I have reached the conclusion that no matter what Gibbs is going to go for Brunell, period. Brunell was his hand picked choice, Gibbs cannot seem to get over the fact that he made a mistake with Brunell. The Skins only competed with themselves for Brunell, if they had waited he would have been cut by Jacksonville and could have been picked up as a bargain. Instead we have a lot of money sunk into a 'back-up'.

At this stage I wish Ramsey well and hope he can find another team after this season or when his contract expires, most likely he will be like Trent Green, all over again. I agree with the point stated in your post, it is beyond me why Gibbs is so quick to pull the trigger on Ramsey, whereas Brunell is always given the benefit of the doubt. I am just sick of "two yard bombs" , not hitting WRs in stride, nor looking off the DBs, all of the handmarks of Brunell. Funny, but Marty Shottenheimer does not looks so conservative compared to Gibbs, who would have thought that Marty Ball would be wide open, compared to Gibbs.

Of course someone will most likely reply we won, the Chargers lost, but the Chargers almost came back to win by taking chances. If the Redskins continue to play it conservative and play not to loose, instead of playing to win, they will in my opinion, loose. Like I said in an earlier post with Brunell it is the movie Ground Hog Day, same sorry passing offense.

[skinsfan0201]

In addition, Ramsey wore out their defense and played pretty well for the most part with the exception of the single interception, which still luckily did not hurt us (he still has to cut those out). But for the fans to boo him for one mistake in the first quarter and be begging for him to start last year, what kind of fairweather fans are we. Why don't we give him a shot, and if he doesn't work out then so be it but if we continue to create a quarterback controversy we will never know how good he could be. Do we want him to go to another team like Trent Green and Rich Gannon, two quarterbacks that were virtually journeymen before they were finally given a chance and became Pro ball level and MVP of the league (respectively) level quarterbacks. Where is our faith as fans. If the Redskins do not achieve any consistency how can we ever expect the Redskins to achieve their potential under Gibbs (or anyone for that matter).

No continuity = no consistency = poor record

Have a little faith please!!!!!

Ramsey needs that chance from the fans as well, did you hear Moose Johnston today, he thought that Ramsey has a real opportunity for a break out season this year. Maybe a few more endorcements will give our quarterback the confidence he needs. Possibly enough confidence so that there will not be a quarterback controversy.

Go Redskins!
(1-0) 9-7 defeat of the Bears Week 1

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

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Right now, MB gives us the best chance to win. Ramsey is too inconsistent, slow to make decisions, and turnover prone. In a little over a quarter of action, Ramsey threw an INT and fumbled twice (one of which was a turnover after he got leveled). Both fumbles were caused by him not getting rid of the ball fast enough. He has become too predictable for opposing defenses - they all know that blitzing him often will force him into poor decisions and lead to turnovers. I shudder to think of what Dallas will do to us next week with Ramsey at QB.

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Two fumbles...from the box scores that I looked at and the Washington Post, there were three turnovers. A Ramsey INT, the fumble from the clothes line, and Antonio Brown's fumble. In my opinion that ball Brunell threw was a pick, the Zebras, after the phantom call on Cooley and missing the clothesline had to give one back, thus the interference call.

In all a horrible throw by Brunell, yet Brunell is not blasted by the fans. Ramsey has potential, Brunell does not, he won't make the mistake, there is no upside to Brunell. Of course Brunell not making the mistake also means he won't take the risk, the types of risks that are necessary to win a game or stage a comeback.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

Two fumbles...from the box scores that I looked at and the Washington Post, there were three turnovers. A Ramsey INT, the fumble from the clothes line, and Antonio Brown's fumble. In my opinion that ball Brunell threw was a pick, the Zebras, after the phantom call on Cooley and missing the clothesline had to give one back, thus the interference call.

In all a horrible throw by Brunell, yet Brunell is not blasted by the fans. Ramsey has potential, Brunell does not, he won't make the mistake, there is no upside to Brunell. Of course Brunell not making the mistake also means he won't take the risk, the types of risks that are necessary to win a game or stage a comeback.

Moss practically had his jersey ripped off on the play, it was clearly PI, not a return the favor call.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Sorry Dirtbagz,

The pass interference call was a damn good, and even obvious one. Santana Moss' jersey was hanging over his shoulder pads because he had been held up in running his route by a DB. Go watch the game tape and I'm sure that you will see what I am talking about.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Sorry Dirtbagz,

The pass interference call was a damn good, and even obvious one. Santana Moss' jersey was hanging over his shoulder pads because he had been held up in running his route by a DB. Go watch the game tape and I'm sure that you will see what I am talking about.

And another thing on that play, if Moss isn't held, I think he goes up and makes that play.

Not a great throw, but still, it would have resulted in a big play.

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Sorry Dirtbagz,

The pass interference call was a damn good, and even obvious one. Santana Moss' jersey was hanging over his shoulder pads because he had been held up in running his route by a DB. Go watch the game tape and I'm sure that you will see what I am talking about.

The clothesline was pretty obvious yet no call. Brunell the savy vet throws it up for grabs and is bailed out by a call, the Refs could have missed the call just like the clothesline. That is my point about a make up call. Bottom line you don't want your team's chances to hinge on the Zebras.

[BleedBurgundy]

If Brunell starts next week, I will officially be pissed. Ramsey did nothing to lose the job and the offense didn't look anywhere near as impotent when he was in...