Soooo, for each of us, what is the breaking point for Gibbs?

[ladyfan06]

As a "lady" skins fan, I believe more thought needs to be put into the fact that we are talking about "THE GREAT JOE GIBBS" here. Given time, Joe makes things happen. That is seen in everything he touches...the guy went to racing and made that work for crying out loud...it is only season two since he has come home. That is the biggest problem with our Skins team as is, there are too many changes and not enough time given to create a relationship of any kind be it coach, quarterback or otherwise. I am one of the Skins fans that was rooting for Patrick too but screw that, it's time to win football games now and if Mr. Gibbs feels Brunnell can get the job done, then he has my full support!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheMalcolmConnection]

And mine...

I was reading something in the paper today reminding us that the same thing happened to Rypien and he was taken aside and worked on his technique. Even though it's heavily implied, Gibbs didn't make any broad statements that Brunell would be the starter for the foreseable future. I think he wants to work with Ramsey, and he feels that given how Brunell performed last year against the Cowboys, that he might be a good person to start this one.

[jjhitman33]

I had so much respect for Joe, before he made this last personnel move with Ramsey. Joe is a players coach, but I think he went against his character/moral beliefs with this decision. There is a definite inhouse problem arising in the skins lockerroom. I think that if the skins go 6-10 again or less; yes I think the big $$ man will go to Joe. I think that his conservative play calling and decision making is not at that Hall Fame level anymore. Ramsey has proven his commitment to the team (by being on his back so much from being sacked or hit every other play); Joe broke his commitment to Patrick. The truth is that Joe and Skins leadership have a vision to put Campbell in the starting Chair in the next year or so. Don't be surprised by the middle of the season that Ramsey is dropped to #3 on QB Depth Chart.

J

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

We are in the midst of a crisis in Redskins Nation. Never before have I seen such in-fighting after A WIN! Its obvious that our team is in turmoil. That being said, at what point for each of you would you actually call for a coaching change? Gibbs got a pass his first season. But in his second season Gibbs has bungled a couple of things, i.e. the trading of draft picks for Campbell, the Ramsey is my starter, etc. So here is the question: What is your breaking point? For me, if we finish this season with 6 wins or less, given the way Gibbs has handled this team, that would be enough to call for the Great One's resignation. Thoughts? Again, Im not picking a fight with the Gibbs supporters, Im merely asking when in your opinion what scenario would call for a coaching change.

[Schneed10]

Here's the question you have to ask yourself:

What other coaching candidate out there would be an upgrade over Joe Gibbs?

My answer: nobody. In fact, I wouldn't trade Gibbs for anybody, employed or not. I'd call Belichik his equal. Parcells is good too, though I hate his guts.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I hate it when the Cowboys win. It looks at though Parcells has been feasting on shit all game.

He has the most shit-eating grin I've ever seen.

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Here's the question you have to ask yourself:

What other coaching candidate out there would be an upgrade over Joe Gibbs?

My answer: nobody. In fact, I wouldn't trade Gibbs for anybody, employed or not. I'd call Belichik his equal. Parcells is good too, though I hate his guts.

I love Joe Gibbs, and would take a bullet for him without hesitation.

That being said, if Belicheck wanted to come here, I would throw a wing-ding of a retirement party for our Hall of Famer.

[ladyfan06]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

I love Joe Gibbs, and would take a bullet for him without hesitation.

That being said, if Belicheck wanted to come here, I would throw a wing-ding of a retirement party for our Hall of Famer.

LMAO!!!!!

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Hahahahahahaha!

Even with party hats?

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by celts32

There is no breaking point for me. He holds the job as long as he wants it. An 0-16 season would not change my mind one bit...

Agreed.

[djnemo65]

My breaking point is soon. The problem I have is the continuation of incompetence that began with Gibbs' first personal move out of retirement: trading a 3rd rounder and giving 43 million to a washed up qb who was about to be cut anyway. It continued when we gave up an unnecessary second rounder to get Portis; when we retained Brunell as starter for nine games last year; when we squandered one of the league's best defenses with an anemic vanilla offense; when we traded three picks for an at best second round qb. And it continues. "Trust in gibbs" is rapidly losing its cachet.

Look, the problem is not that Ramsey is so great - that he's Joe Montana. I could even get with Brunell starting over Ramsey if it was handled the right way (see other posts for such scenarios). The problem is the obvious incompetence with which this transition has been negotiated. Starting Patrick through preseason when it is obvious - at least to me - that Gibbs had designs on inserting Brunell at the first possible opportunity (that has to be the case because Ramsey played better than at any point during the preseason and still got yanked). This has all already been talked about ad nauseum. Anyway, I still think we can win some games. Or maybe I just hope we can; hard to tell anymore. But if we have to give up a top 1st round draft pick to Denver next year, s--t is really gonna hit the fan.

[hurrykaine]

Quotes from some NFL scouts and a personnel director cited in a Washington Times article. Perhaps this'll make it clearer to some who are clamoring for Ramsey to be the starter.

"Based on what I saw in the preseason, I thought Brunell was doing better, and I talked to other scouts and they were saying the same kinds of things," an NFC scout said. "But they didn't pull the cord on [Ramsey]. They wasted a lot of time in the preseason by not doing that."
Said the personnel director: "Sometimes, Ramsey looks like a first-round pick, no question. But he's the type of player where there's no gray area. He's either going good or he's falling off a cliff. They replaced him with a guy that doesn't turn the ball over.
"Brunell's going to manage the game for Joe. If they don't turn it over, they're pretty much going to win the game because they'll get to work with a short field with that defense. He can still throw and he looks more comfortable this year -- that's obvious. But the big thing is he doesn't panic under duress and throw the pick."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/sport...0154-2283r.htm

[Kope]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Quotes from some NFL scouts and a personnel director cited in a Washington Times article. Perhaps this'll make it clearer to some who are clamoring for Ramsey to be the starter.

"Based on what I saw in the preseason, I thought Brunell was doing better, and I talked to other scouts and they were saying the same kinds of things," an NFC scout said. "But they didn't pull the cord on [Ramsey]. They wasted a lot of time in the preseason by not doing that."
Said the personnel director: "Sometimes, Ramsey looks like a first-round pick, no question. But he's the type of player where there's no gray area. He's either going good or he's falling off a cliff. They replaced him with a guy that doesn't turn the ball over.
"Brunell's going to manage the game for Joe. If they don't turn it over, they're pretty much going to win the game because they'll get to work with a short field with that defense. He can still throw and he looks more comfortable this year -- that's obvious. But the big thing is he doesn't panic under duress and throw the pick."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/sport...0154-2283r.htm

That article makes me fell better about the switch. I just want to see us score in the red zone

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Kope

That article makes me fell better about the switch. I just want to see us score in the red zone

you said it. just winning with conservative play and field goals is not the way to go (as we saw in 2004) and especially now with our main kicker out!!

[Dogtag]

Coach Gibbs will have my support as long as he wants the job. What would be my breaking point ... if Coach Gibbs were physically unable to perform his duties.

I, the team fan, support my Coach as the perennial 12th man of this squad. He is the Skipper of this ship and I will not question his authority or decisions. I will support him to the best of my ability.

[celts32]

My guess is that younger redskins fans that do not have an emotional bond with Gibbs from back in the 80's will be much quicker to run Gibbs out of town than a little bit older fan who was around for the good years. I have been a skins fan since the 70's so my Joe Gibbs breaking point leash is about as long as beltway...