Ramsey and McCants

[celts32]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

celts32:

That decision to "toss in the towel on a QB taken in the first round" is made even harder by the fact that Danny Boy claims credit for "discovering" Ramsey at Tulane and making sure he was taken with the Skins' first pick. People don't like the decision to bench Ramesy; but on that level, what Gibbs is doing takes a huge set of onions. He's telling the omniscient Danny Boy that the QB he discovered and fawned over for several years just isn't quite good enough to get the job done here.

Anyone else want to bring that kind of news to Danny Boy when he controls your paycheck and benefits? If so, I hope you have the unemployment office on speed dial...

agreed.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Right, which basically brings me to the point that we all get a little emotionally attached to our first round picks.

A PERFECT EXAMPLE = Rod Gardner

Another person who is shockingly similar to Ramsey. 1st round pick, not panning out so well, but each one of us called for him to be given another year, myself included.

Once we get past the emotional attachment, it won't be so bad.

I used to have an emotional attachment to Ramsey, but at this point I am about ready to pass the beer nuts on him. For whatever reason he just has not progressed and Gibbs has seen enough...

[DirtBagZ]

From today's Washington Post,

Yesterday, the only question Ramsey declined to answer concerned his turnover issues (two touchdowns and four interceptions) during preseason games. Ramsey was intercepted once Sunday by the Chicago Bears and, according to another offensive starter who requested anonymity, that interception -- on Ramsey's second pass of the game -- occurred when a receiver ran the wrong route, adding to Ramsey's frustration about the decision.

So Ramsey Bashers, and Brunell believers, what do you have to say now? I don't think a single person on this forum even entertained the possibility that the WR ran the wrong route and suprise the pass looks bad, when the WR is not there! I am glad the players are coming out, for now there is a record and no way in hell should Gibbs be given nine games of Brunell to ruin the season AGAIN! Someone, and most likely it will have to be Snyder is going to have to have to say something. This is why we need a GM, like said before Gibbs coach GOOD, Gibbs coach & GM BAD.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

I used to have an emotional attachment to Ramsey, but at this point I am about ready to pass the beer nuts on him. For whatever reason he just has not progressed and Gibbs has seen enough...

I wish more people would admit that emotion is what is holding Ramsey so dear to them.

I went back and watched most of the Bears game last night, and while Ramsey did look good at times, he also looked pretty bad at others. He fired several overthrows and just doesn't look very decisive at times.

That's pretty much been the book on him his entire career. He's inconsistent. He'll thrill you on one play and kill you the next. He's the kind of QB that drives Gibbs crazy.

I just don't see why there's such an uproar over this. As bad as Brunell was last year, Ramsey was only slightly better.

Ramsey seems like a good guy, and he's a very likable guy. I think we really wanted him to succeed, but right now Gibbs feels that a change would be beneficial to the team, so let's roll with that for now and see where it takes us. I really don't see what we have to lose.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Right and for those who say, "Well Ramsey threw for 100+ yards." remember that many of those yards came on a 10-yard pattern that Moss TURNED into a 50+ yard gainer.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I wish more people would admit that emotion is what is holding Ramsey so dear to them.

I went back and watched most of the Bears game last night, and while Ramsey did look good at times, he also looked pretty bad at others. He fired several overthrows and just doesn't look very decisive at times.

That's pretty much been the book on him his entire career. He's inconsistent. He'll thrill you on one play and kill you the next. He's the kind of QB that drives Gibbs crazy.

I just don't see why there's such an uproar over this. As bad as Brunell was last year, Ramsey was only slightly better.

Ramsey seems like a good guy, and he's a very likable guy. I think we really wanted him to succeed, but right now Gibbs feels that a change would be beneficial to the team, so let's roll with that for now and see where it takes us. I really don't see what we have to lose.

I think you need to take your rational thinking and even-mindedness somewhere else!

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I wish more people would admit that emotion is what is holding Ramsey so dear to them.

I went back and watched most of the Bears game last night, and while Ramsey did look good at times, he also looked pretty bad at others. He fired several overthrows and just doesn't look very decisive at times.

That's pretty much been the book on him his entire career. He's inconsistent. He'll thrill you on one play and kill you the next. He's the kind of QB that drives Gibbs crazy.

I just don't see why there's such an uproar over this. As bad as Brunell was last year, Ramsey was only slightly better.

Ramsey seems like a good guy, and he's a very likable guy. I think we really wanted him to succeed, but right now Gibbs feels that a change would be beneficial to the team, so let's roll with that for now and see where it takes us. I really don't see what we have to lose.

if we could trade for Roethlisbeger right now, you think people would still be clamoring for Ramsey? Yes Ramsey gambles, but with Portis and our defense we had good chances to win.

Brunell had his chance to endear himself to us as fans all of last season. if he looked good, do you think any of us would be 'freaking out' as you say? emotional attachment is secondary. unless it applies to blind faith in Gibbs of course, that emotional attachment is allowed. go back and find some video of Brunell's passes last season against real defenses really trying to murder him.

[MTK]

I'm really losing it here, what the hell is so great about Ramsey? I feel like I've been asking this question for days. And don't turn it around and say what's so great about Brunell. I'm simply asking, what is so great about Ramsey?

The uproar over a medicore QB being benched, a QB mind you that was booed regularly this preseason, is amazing to me... now all of a sudden he's a golden boy?

Again, he was the 5th worst QB last year, Brunell was 2nd worst, yet people are acting like the season is over because Ramsey has been benched.

I really don't get it.

[illdefined]

simply, Ramsey won more real games for us. its all about the wins, and if Brunell and Ramsey's roles were reversed last year, you can bet all this 'emotion' you say we have would be right out the window. if there was a better non-rookie QB on the roster, we'd all want him too. heck some of us want to see the rookie now.

[ladyfan06]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm really losing it here, what the hell is so great about Ramsey? I feel like I've been asking this question for days. And don't turn it around and say what's so great about Brunell. I'm simply asking, what is so great about Ramsey?

The uproar over a medicore QB being benched, a QB mind you that was booed regularly this preseason, is amazing to me... now all of a sudden he's a golden boy?

Again, he was the 5th worst QB last year, Brunell was 2nd worst, yet people are acting like the season is over because Ramsey has been benched.

I really don't get it.

I agree. Instead of calling us that support the QB change-Brunnell supporters, how about calling us what we really are...Redskins supporters. The change has been made, deal with it...I don't think that those that feel the way I do are having this argument because we feel that Brunnell is the reincarnation of Joe Theismann but we just do not understand what all the complaining about Ramsey being benched is about. He is not that good of a QB, granted neither is Brunnell, but how many options do we really have here? None, really so we should believe in the guy that is put in the position to make the best decision out of his options, who happens to be Hall Of Famer and Former Super Bowl winning Coach of the Washington Redskins, Joe Gibbs. He has a lot more to base this change on then we do.

I personally like Ramsey, think he is a nice guy, kinda cute even in a boyish way but he cannot win us football games at this point....I know, I know--the question is "can Brunnell win us football games?" or maybe the statement will be made "he did not win us many football games, LAST YEAR."

1.-Can Brunnell win us football games?
Only time will tell. I believe strongly that if he does not produce, Coach will make another adjustment. Maybe that will be Jason Campbell, maybe Ramsey...maybe he will flip a coin to make the call...who knows.

2.-He did not win us many football games, LAST YEAR....
THAT WAS LAST YEAR!!!!!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by illdefined

simply, Ramsey won more real games for us. its all about the wins, and if Brunell and Ramsey's roles were reversed last year, you can bet all this 'emotion' you say we have would be right out the window. if there was a better non-rookie QB on the roster, we'd all want him too. heck some of us want to see the rookie now.

Brunell won 3 and Ramsey won 3.

By my count that's pretty even.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by ladyfan06

He is not that good of a QB, granted neither is Brunnell, but how many options do we really have here? None, really so we should believe in the guy that is put in the position to make the best decision out of his options, who happens to be Hall Of Famer and Former Super Bowl winning Coach of the Washington Redskins, Joe Gibbs. He has a lot more to base this change on then we do.

I personally like Ramsey, think he is a nice guy, kinda cute even in a boyish way but he cannot win us football games at this point....I know, I know--the question is "can Brunnell win us football games?" or maybe the statement will be made "he did not win us many football games, LAST YEAR."

ladyfan, you dismiss last year so readily, but really throw out coach's superbowls from 15 years ago. i don't discount either, but if you're going to use the past, don't do it selectively.

we're Redskins supporters too. only reason most of us wanted to give Ramsey a shot is because he LOST less than Brunell and because we think a 26 year old can improve more than a 35 year old. it's not because of emotion, (and much less because he's cute) and if we had clearly better options at QB we'd all take that in a second.

[ladyfan06]

Originally Posted by illdefined

ladyfan, you dismiss last year so readily, but really throw out coach's superbowls from 15 years ago. i don't discount either, but if you're going to use the past, don't do it selectively.

we're Redskins supporters too. only reason most of us wanted to give Ramsey a shot is because he LOST less than Brunell and because we think a 26 year old can improve more than a 35 year old. it's not because of emotion, (and much less because he's cute) and if we had clearly better options at QB we'd all take that in a second.

Illdefined- I think you have a thing for me, no matter what I say or how I say it, you find a way to make it something it's not...no one ever said those of you that feel that Ramsey got a "raw deal" are not Redskin supporters as well but stop making those of us that stand behind the decision of the coach out to be the bad guys. At the end of the day, Brunnell is going to start, that's that and we have exhausted so many keystrokes bashing the coach, organization, Brunnell and anything else that pops in our heads. That is nothing is contradictory of what I would consider a true-Redskins fan.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Brunell won 3 and Ramsey won 3.

By my count that's pretty even.

right. well Ramsey lost less then.

just his presence on the field makes the safeties think twice about locking on Portis. the reason may be that they think they'll be able to pick him off, but either way he changes the character of the offense. it's good for our running game and that's our biggest strength.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

From today's Washington Post,

Yesterday, the only question Ramsey declined to answer concerned his turnover issues (two touchdowns and four interceptions) during preseason games. Ramsey was intercepted once Sunday by the Chicago Bears and, according to another offensive starter who requested anonymity, that interception -- on Ramsey's second pass of the game -- occurred when a receiver ran the wrong route, adding to Ramsey's frustration about the decision.

So Ramsey Bashers, and Brunell believers, what do you have to say now? I don't think a single person on this forum even entertained the possibility that the WR ran the wrong route and suprise the pass looks bad, when the WR is not there! I am glad the players are coming out, for now there is a record and no way in hell should Gibbs be given nine games of Brunell to ruin the season AGAIN! Someone, and most likely it will have to be Snyder is going to have to have to say something. This is why we need a GM, like said before Gibbs coach GOOD, Gibbs coach & GM BAD.

You make it sound like it's Gibbs plan to ruin the season. Gibbs has won at everything he ever did yet this season he decided he wanted to sabotage himself. He obviously thinks Brunell gives him a better chance to win.