Suspicious Minds?

[gortiz]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

Funny how the truth comes out from the team, who watches a hell of lot more film than any of the guys on this forum, that the WR ran the wrong route. I don't think one person on the this forum even mentions that, yet all we here Gibbs blah..blah..blah, Brunell...blah..blah...blah...my precious (Gibbs and Brunell is like Gollum and the Ring from Lord of the Rings). I would love to hear people continue to go off about how friggin great Gibbs is, and yeah I am being a tough SOB, but hey this is the NFL or NOT FOR LONG as Jerry Glanville used to say. I am sick of this team being mediocre a shell of its once proud self.

So for all of you Ramsey bashers what do you have to say now, that the truth is coming out from the players that the pass, the INT that everyone here grilled Ramsey for was not his fault but the WR. St. Joe of Gibbs seems to be awful quiet about that, seems to bring his credibity into serious question. I just hope that this does not end up dividing the team, but it is going happen, because Brunell is what is is, old and washed up, and 5 yards per completion.

This is ridiculous, it really is


Honestly, all these "fans" that have lost faith, bashed Gibbs, and put down the team, you have to feel so, so, so sorry for them. What in the world are they going to do and how are they going to feel when the Redskins win next Monday? Lost souls without a team ... to bad

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Do you honestly beleive that Gibbs is playing Brunell to prove a point regardless of the outcome? You don't think that he feels, based on his hall of fame coaching acumen that Brunell gives the team a better chance of winning games? This is what I find so frustrating on the board, that the implication that the coaching staff has something other than winning games at the forefront of their decisions. Not all decisions are going to be the right ones (keeping A. Brown on the roster after the poor pre-season) but I'm still willing to give Gibbs the benefit of the doubt. Even if Brunell 'is so horrible' that a change has to be made, it will be Campbell taking the field, Ramsey (unless an injury occurs in the next 3 games) will never get meaningful snaps as a Redskin again. The coaching staff (not just Gibbs I'm willing to bet) has no confidence in him so if your current QB is 'so horrible' to the point of replacing him I would assume the team is losing games so give your future some game time experience and exposure. Team insiders already say that he is the best QB on the roster anyway.

Campbell is a totally unproven commodity right now. To start him is to, essentially, give up on the season and let it be a learning experience for him. If Brunell is hurt, Ramsey will be back in. However, I firmly believe that if Brunell struggles, as he did last year, he will be allowed to continue to play. No way Gibbs is going to bench him for poor performance. No, he will continue to praise him, defend him, make excuses for him - all the things he was never willing to do for Ramsey.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by LadyT

And what has Brunell done to justify giving him the starting job? Absolutely nothing except play the most important role in the debacle that was last season. Oh, I forgot, the same standards don't apply to Brunell in this organization, do they?

While that is true, that has not been the case in the pre season this year. Brunell has been dramatically improved, while Ramsey has been SOS, different year.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Also remember he could be the next Big Ben. Ben didn't have to pass a lot, he threw when he had to and relied on his great running game.

[illdefined]

maybe if i ask enough, i'll get an answer?

Originally Posted by illdefined

was keeping Brunell in so long last season and made SURE we didn't go to the playoffs about winning? or on some level, personal loyalty to his QB?

[illdefined]

and for the record, i'm NOT bashing Gibbs. i think QB loyalty is admirable actually, i just want to know what Brunell did to get it, and why Ramsey never got to have it.

[scowan]

I kind of differ with most of you on this board who think that if Brunell struggles, he will be given a long leash. I don't think he will. I mean how much faith does the team retain in their coach if Brunell comes in and throw 3 picks on Monday night and then starts in Week 4 against the Seahawks. Now I say this with the realization that Brunell will probably never throw 3 picks in a game, he will just throw it away like we all watched him do last year, which is frustrating as hell, but if he struggles to make plays, I don't think he stays in there for 9 games like he did last year. Something will have to happen. I REALLY DON'T CARE WHO THE QB IS, I JUST WANT AT LEAST 21 POINTS!!!! JEEEEEZZZZ!

[Hog1]

On thing is getting lost here (with some). Ramsey is benched, not deported to another country. Some of the best QB's ever to play have been benched. It is a pretty common practice, and one Gibbs has used on numerous occasions (with great success). He can get his job back, if he can keep his head. I have heard some people close the situation imply (out of the side of their mouth) that Ramsey had some things the coach's (that means the coaching staff, not just Joe) wanted him to correct, or work on. He had plenty of time to do so, and the implication is that he did not want to do so.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by Hog1

While that is true, that has not been the case in the pre season this year. Brunell has been dramatically improved, while Ramsey has been SOS, different year.

But, once the regular season started, we were back to the same old, same old. Brunell played for nearly 3 quarters and accumulated the grand total of 70 yards passing!

No TDs at all. At least Ramsey did throw a TD pass that was later nullified.

With Hall out, we are in trouble because his kicks were the only offensive points. Once again, Brunell put up zero points directing the offense.

The preseason really doesn't count. The only thing that counts is what happens when the real games are played. In that regard, Ramsey has a better record last year as a starter than does Brunell.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by Hog1

On thing is getting lost here (with some). Ramsey is benched, not deported to another country. Some of the best QB's ever to play have been benched. It is a pretty common practice, and one Gibbs has used on numerous occasions (with great success). He can get his job back, if he can keep his head. I have heard some people close the situation imply (out of the side of their mouth) that Ramsey had some things the coach's (that means the coaching staff, not just Joe) wanted him to correct, or work on. He had plenty of time to do so, and the implication is that he did not want to do so.

I would agree with you about the possibility of Ramsey getting his job back, were it not for the drafting of Campbell. Let's not forget what Gibbs has done from the first day he came back in terms of QBs. First, Gibbs immediately pursued the aging Brunell and signed him to an absurdly large contract which even the most ardent of Brunell/Gibbs devotees must admit is a joke. Next year, he gives up the barn to get Campbell. That's a 1-2 punch and, to me, clearly indicates he doesn't plan on having Ramsey be a part of this team much beyond this year.

[firstdown]

Maybe its time we are all honest. We have Brunell who is pretty much at the end of his career and Ramsey who has skills but very inconsistent. He is like Gardner he will make a great play then drop the ball on the next. This is why all th so called experts have us on the bottom of their list and thats why Gibbs went out and traded to get Campbell. Gibbs knows Brunell is not the answer and he feels Ramsey is not the answer either. We may see Brunell for a while or we may see Ramsey back in but if we are not winning games by mid season Campbell will be our guy. Gibbs signed a five year deal and that will give him 3 and 1/2 years to groom Campbell and make a push for the SB. Alot of people were upset when he traded so much for Campbell but I think Gibbs saw the writing on the wall. Now the people that feel Gibs is playing Brunell because that was his guy is just totaly wrong. Why would a coach play a QB just for pride to loose game that would make them look even worse. So lets just hope that some how we can have a win in Dallas who ever is throwing the ball and see what happens on the buy week.

[Sociofan]

Originally Posted by Hog1

On thing is getting lost here (with some). Ramsey is benched, not deported to another country. Some of the best QB's ever to play have been benched. It is a pretty common practice, and one Gibbs has used on numerous occasions (with great success). He can get his job back, if he can keep his head. I have heard some people close the situation imply (out of the side of their mouth) that Ramsey had some things the coach's (that means the coaching staff, not just Joe) wanted him to correct, or work on. He had plenty of time to do so, and the implication is that he did not want to do so.

Yes, this was exactly what was reported in The Washington Post today. But really guys, this topic is getting old. The decision has been made and a tone has been set. Remember, Antonio Brown was CUT for making an untimely turnover. The Redskins have had problems with making untimely mistakes. I'll say it again, THE REDSKINS HAVE HAD PROBLEMS WITH MAKING UNTIMELY MISTAKES!! Once more? Okay, maybe not.

Joe Gibbs has tolerated these mistakes far too long for his own comfort, let alone the fans'. Benching Ramsey is part of sending a clear message that turnovers will no longer be a regular part of play or else you'll find yourself on the street or at least on the bench. I don't see this as personal with Ramsey, I see it as a coach trying whatever it takes to correct dumbass error-filled football. It killed the team last year, he doesn't want it happening again this year. Patrick is a good QB, but he makes A LOT of mistakes. My guess is that when The Post reported that Gibbs had some things he wanted Patrick to work on, he meant exactly that...spend more time finding ways to protect that rock and make good decisions.

Now, can we talk about Jansens' two broken thumbs or Noble's bum knee or anything other than Brunell v. Ramsey?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by illdefined

and for the record, i'm NOT bashing Gibbs. i think QB loyalty is admirable actually, i just want to know what Brunell did to get it, and why Ramsey never got to have it.

Loyalty is part of it, but to Gibbs he thought Brunell was the right guy for the job and the guy that could help lead us to wins.

I highly doubt he stuck by Brunell so long simply because he likes Brunell.

Loyalty is one thing, but to say that he has a personal agenda to prove to everyone that he made the right decision in bringing in Brunell is really a stretch of the imagination, and pretty insulting to a man the caliber of Gibbs who above anything, wants to make the Redskins winners.

Gibbs inherited Ramsey, simple as that. From day one he obviously hasn't felt he was the right guy for his offense.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by LadyT

I would agree with you about the possibility of Ramsey getting his job back, were it not for the drafting of Campbell. Let's not forget what Gibbs has done from the first day he came back in terms of QBs. First, Gibbs immediately pursued the aging Brunell and signed him to an absurdly large contract which even the most ardent of Brunell/Gibbs devotees must admit is a joke. Next year, he gives up the barn to get Campbell. That's a 1-2 punch and, to me, clearly indicates he doesn't plan on having Ramsey be a part of this team much beyond this year.

So now Brunell's contact is Gibbs' fault?

Let's place blame where it's due, Snyder deals with the contracts around here.

[LadyT]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So now Brunell's contact is Gibbs' fault?

Let's place blame where it's due, Snyder deals with the contracts around here.

Do you expect me to believe that Gibbs did not play a major role, not only in first pursuing Brunell, but in the contract talks as well? Maybe not directly, but certainly indirectly.