Trading Patrick Ramsey

[Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor]

they would be dumb but we would be very smart in the process. ramsey will not play for us ever again barring any type of injry . brunell will be the qb for the next couple of years then the reigns will be for campbell to take and i can not wait. abraham is a beast and with williams scheme he would be a hall of famer for us.

[Wanga Skins]

It sounds great and all but what would the cap difference be? I know we need a pass rushing DE but we shouldn't break the bank for anybody.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Wanga Skins

It sounds great and all but what would the cap difference be? I know we need a pass rushing DE but we shouldn't break the bank for anybody.

Cap? What cap?! This front office cares about the cap like Andrew Jackson cared about the Native Americans.

If there's an overpriced, on-the-downside-of-his-career free agent out there, by God, this front office will find him.

Still, anything's an upgrade over those two putz-bags Renaldo Wynn and Philip Daniels -- who finally, at the half-way point in the season got his first sack, but only because the offensive tackle didn’t realize McNabb was going for a pass when they thought he was going to spike it. I mean really, is that not pathetic? That our starting defensive ends can only get to the quarterback if their opponent stands there motionless?

8 games – 1 sack from our two starting defensive ends.

Sad.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Cap? What cap?! This front office cares about the cap like Andrew Jackson cared about the Native Americans.

If there's an overpriced, on-the-downside-of-his-career free agent out there, by God, this front office will find him.

Still, anything's an upgrade over those two putz-bags Renaldo Wynn and Philip Daniels -- who finally, at the half-way point in the season got his first sack, but only because the offensive tackle didn’t realize McNabb was going for a pass when they thought he was going to spike it. I mean really, is that not pathetic? That our starting defensive ends can only get to the quarterback if their opponent stands there motionless?

8 games – 1 sack from our two starting defensive ends.

Sad.

He did de-cleat him though.

[skindogger47]

The problem is that no pass rushing DE will want to come here and play square-shouldered Greg Blache conservative run stopping football. Ramsey will not be here next year and I would LOVE to see Abraham here, but isn't his contract up at the end of the season?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by offiss

He did de-cleat him though.

De-cleat Him? I thought it was a girly hit. He just hit him to the ground while still standing. He should of raped him up and driven him to the ground and made him pay for the mistake. I don't want to see a cheap shot but atleast let him know he was hit.

[Skins fan 44]

There are other QBs on the trading block I would think.
Harrington in Detroit and with Houston possibly getting the #1 pick will they draft Leinhart

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Cap? What cap?! This front office cares about the cap like Andrew Jackson cared about the Native Americans.

If there's an overpriced, on-the-downside-of-his-career free agent out there, by God, this front office will find him.

What "overpriced on-the-downside-of-his-career free agent" have we brought in lately??

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What "overpriced on-the-downside-of-his-career free agent" have we brought in lately??

I guess that depends on how we define the term "lately". If you mean this year, none -- thank God. But this is the first year we've been conservative with free agent signings. But take my hand Matty, and let's take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

Mark Brunell -- granted, we like the way he's playing now, but, considering that his first year was a complete disaster, at least one season under his $43 million contract was an utter waste.

Jeremiah Trotter -- Classic Washington Redskin front office move. He's a beast as an opponent, but we pick him up when his old team doesn't want him anymore; puts on a burgundy and gold uniform and couldn't make the team at Duke.

Jessie Armstead -- This one goes back a bit further, but again, what's "lately" ?

Mike Barrow -- Our brilliant front office in action again. We signed this guy knowing full well of his knee problems.

Chad Morton -- Do I really have to explain this one?

David Patten -- It's early, I know. So the jury is still out so far. I'll give him until the end of this season. But if there's not a significant improvement in his numbers, especially considering that teams are really going to start clamping down on Santana Moss and Chris Cooley -- sorry Matty, he belongs in this group too.

Clinton Portis -- I know some people consider it a federal offense to criticize him, and maybe he's not on the down side yet, but he fits in the overpriced category as well as any other.

This is just a random sampling from 2002 to last year. Again, I'll give them credit for Snyder and Cerrato getting a hold of themselves, and not acting like Paris Hilton on Rodeo Drive. Maybe Snyder has learned his lesson from the days of Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and Jeff George. That's why I went easy on you and left them off the list. Otherwise, I'd have overloaded the server with this post.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I guess that depends on how we define the term "lately". If you mean this year, none -- thank God. But this is the first year we've been conservative with free agent signings. But take my hand Matty, and let's take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

Mark Brunell -- granted, we like the way he's playing now, but, considering that his first year was a complete disaster, at least one season under his $43 million contract was an utter waste.

Jeremiah Trotter -- Classic Washington Redskin front office move. He's a beast as an opponent, but we pick him up when his old team doesn't want him anymore; puts on a burgundy and gold uniform and couldn't make the team at Duke.

Jessie Armstead -- This one goes back a bit further, but again, what's "lately" ?

Mike Barrow -- Our brilliant front office in action again. We signed this guy knowing full well of his knee problems.

Chad Morton -- Do I really have to explain this one?

David Patten -- It's early, I know. So the jury is still out so far. I'll give him until the end of this season. But if there's not a significant improvement in his numbers, especially considering that teams are really going to start clamping down on Santana Moss and Chris Cooley -- sorry Matty, he belongs in this group too.

Clinton Portis -- I know some people consider it a federal offense to criticize him, and maybe he's not on the down side yet, but he fits in the overpriced category as well as any other.

This is just a random sampling from 2002 to last year. Again, I'll give them credit for Snyder and Cerrato getting a hold of themselves, and not acting like Paris Hilton on Rodeo Drive. Maybe Snyder has learned his lesson from the days of Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and Jeff George. That's why I went easy on you and left them off the list. Otherwise, I'd have overloaded the server with this post.

In the last two years:
-barrow wasn't expensive because he was a risk (just like fiore and harris), patten issn't breaking the bank either, even though he hasn't been super productive.
-portis and brunell got paid a lot (samuels and lavar too), but at least they're contributing and are well above their backups in terms of skill and production, so i wouldn't label them busts.

what about washington/harris/springs/griffin/clark/taylor/marshall, rabach/cooley/moss/sellers/thrash?

They're all performing at or above their contracts, so don't they cancel out the 3-4 "overpaid" players an the couple negliable injury risk players we tried out? over the last two years we really haven't overpaid for bad eggs like we did with trotter/armstead/bruce smith/deion etc in the past.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I guess that depends on how we define the term "lately". If you mean this year, none -- thank God. But this is the first year we've been conservative with free agent signings. But take my hand Matty, and let's take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

Mark Brunell -- granted, we like the way he's playing now, but, considering that his first year was a complete disaster, at least one season under his $43 million contract was an utter waste.

Ummm... I don't even know how to respond to this statement. So is this an argument against Brunell? Hard to argue aginst him right now. If it isn't then why did you bring it up?

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Jeremiah Trotter -- Classic Washington Redskin front office move. He's a beast as an opponent, but we pick him up when his old team doesn't want him anymore; puts on a burgundy and gold uniform and couldn't make the team at Duke.

Let's see...he was 27 and in the prime of his career. Yep sounds just like down-side of his career to me. No one could have imagined he would be so worthless. Bad luck on this one.

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Jessie Armstead -- This one goes back a bit further, but again, what's "lately" ?

Armstead actually was a decent ball player for us for a couple years. There's not much of an argument that he was a total waste.

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Mike Barrow -- Our brilliant front office in action again. We signed this guy knowing full well of his knee problems.

He was older but had led the league in tackles the year before and hadn't missed a game in 7 years. He had knee tendinitis which is almost always temporary. My guess isn't that they "[knew] full well" about his knee. They woudln't have signed him if they did. Again bad luck on this one.

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Chad Morton -- Do I really have to explain this one?

Well he ended up sucking but he wasn't really over priced and certainly wasn't on the down-side of his career.

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

David Patten -- It's early, I know. So the jury is still out so far. I'll give him until the end of this season. But if there's not a significant improvement in his numbers, especially considering that teams are really going to start clamping down on Santana Moss and Chris Cooley -- sorry Matty, he belongs in this group too.

So are you giving him til the end of the season or not? Putting him a group like this sounds like making a judgment to me. Make up your mind.

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Clinton Portis -- I know some people consider it a federal offense to criticize him, and maybe he's not on the down side yet, but he fits in the overpriced category as well as any other.

While I'd agree he looks more and more overpriced every game he isn't on the down-side of his career. I am still more convinced it is the design andnot the runner at this point.

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

This is just a random sampling from 2002 to last year. Again, I'll give them credit for Snyder and Cerrato getting a hold of themselves, and not acting like Paris Hilton on Rodeo Drive. Maybe Snyder has learned his lesson from the days of Bruce Smith, Deion Sanders and Jeff George. That's why I went easy on you and left them off the list. Otherwise, I'd have overloaded the server with this post.

Seems to me you picked out a bunch of guys who are at worst mildly questionable and at most were actually quality players.

[Big C]

thing is, it doesnt matter how good ramsey is in the future, he isnt going to do that here, so he is worth jack shit to us. even if we traded for abraham and we got like 5 sacks from him, it would be nice because we gave up someone who is worth nothing to us...just like kwame brown with the wizards. same thing. kwame wasnt going to do anything in washington, just like p ram isnt, so get what u can for him. something is better than nothing

[saden1]

Abraham isn't going to be traded straight up and where is the salary he'll be seeking going to come from? I doubt we'll be able to pull it off.

p.s. I think Ramsey will be a Skin next year!

[mooby]

i don't know but we are in desperate need of a pass rushing defensive end. our d-line is sad right now. i think that is one of the key things we need to focus on this year in the draft or in free agency. At this point, i'd be willing to take Abraham, or anyone with good pass rushing skills. What about Kyle Vanden Bosch?

[SmootSmack]

I actually wouldn't mind seeing Nic Clemons get some more playing time. I think he could be a diamond in the rough