2nd half concerns

hail_2_da_skins · 11-08-2005, 03:46 PM

Skins have a killer schedule. You would think the Skins were 11-5 last year.
@Tampa Bay Dangerous team
Raiders Can score a ton of poins
Chargers L.T.
@Rams Bulger, Holt and Bruce will probably be healthy.
@Cardinals They better beat the Cards!
Cowboys The girls always give the Skins problems.
Giants Revenge is Sweet!
@Eagles Who made this schedule? Three division opponents in a row.

SkinsLove24/7 · 11-08-2005, 06:04 PM

Simply if you take the ball away from your opponent they can't make the big plays on offense.

TheMalcolmConnection · 11-08-2005, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

If this team does not figure out how to run the ball effectively teams will figure out to to shut down moss and then the only scoring threat the team has will be gone.

I dunno. Look at the Rams.

Beemnseven · 11-08-2005, 07:46 PM

We can only choose one?

I selected defensive breakdowns. Thankfully, they seemed to have fixed the run-stopping problems by giving Westbrook the slap down. Then again, it was Philadelphia. We'll see how they've adjusted this weekend against Cadillac Williams.

A close second is lack of a strong running game. So far, Gibbs has not been able to do what he really wants to do -- wear down opponents by running the ball 35 times or more.

I would say turnovers, but judging by the way normally sound ball carriers like Thrash and Cooley bobbled the ball the other night, it's obvious these players just aren't as interested in controlling turnovers the way we Warpathers and Joe Gibbs are. Betts had another one, too. For the first time this season though, all of those fumbles just happen to bounce in our favor. Derrick Dockery and Pierson Prioleau were the reason the Redskins defeated the Eagles Sunday night.

Beemnseven · 11-08-2005, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I dunno. Look at the Rams.

What about them? Just because the Rams can do it -- and it's no certainty that they can judging by their 4-4 record -- doesn't mean we will.

Make no mistake, this O-line and Clinton Portis have to get it in gear. Remember, other than the San Fransisco game, the Redskins still aren't exactly lighting up the scoreboard.

skinsfanthru&thru · 11-08-2005, 08:02 PM

I was close to voting for turnovers but I had to go with a strong running game. Some of the turnovers have resulted in us having to pass more than we should have to and although I really like Portis, it amazes me how he seems incapable of getting off a run of more than 15 yards. I don't know if it's his occasional lack of patience or him sometimes waiting too long and missing the hole, but he just never seems to be able to slip through the linebackers and into the secondary. He's getting way too many 1-3 yard carries where as whenever Betts comes in he seems to be getting 4-6 yards atleast on every carry and is breaking through tackles and carrying people on his back for a little extra each time. The running game gaining some strength would go a long way to helping with ball control and getting the wrs in more one on one situations.

TheMalcolmConnection · 11-08-2005, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

What about them? Just because the Rams can do it -- and it's no certainty that they can judging by their 4-4 record -- doesn't mean we will.

Make no mistake, this O-line and Clinton Portis have to get it in gear. Remember, other than the San Fransisco game, the Redskins still aren't exactly lighting up the scoreboard.

Also remember that for at least half our games we've played against GREAT defenses. Next week, we get to play the #1 defense in the league and more than likely we'll get our run stuffed again. I truly think though that we have enough weapons that AREN'T Portis that we can contend with anybody.

That Guy · 11-08-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

He's getting way too many 1-3 yard carries where as whenever Betts comes in he seems to be getting 4-6 yards atleast on every carry and is breaking through tackles and carrying people on his back for a little extra each time.

portis is getting stuffed constantly while betts is always getting 4-6yards at a time? Then why do they both have the exact same 4.2ypc averages?

MTK · 11-08-2005, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

portis is getting stuffed constantly while betts is always getting 4-6yards at a time? Then why do they both have the exact same 4.2ypc averages?

LOL, how's the saying go, perception is reality?

Riggo44 · 11-08-2005, 10:28 PM

Turnovers! We would have beat K.C for sure if we could have won the turnover battle.It's really hard to win the close games if you don't.

Gmanc711 · 11-08-2005, 10:34 PM

For me its the division and conference were in. Last season, we would have almost wrapped up a damn playoff spot by now. This season is going to be really tough. I think there could even be a 10-6 team left out. Breaking it down the way I see it in the NFC....

NFC East: Everyone is still in it. Even though Philadelphia is 4-4, they are just as much in it as the 6-2 Giants if you ask me. I think all four teams are going to be comepting for a division crown and one wildcard spot.
NFC North: Chicago will get the divison and no wildcard.
NFC South: I think both Carolina and Atlanta will be locks for the playoffs. Tampa Bay will fade, but is still very much in it with a 5-3 record.
NFC West: Seattle will win the divsion. I think St. Louis can still compete as they are now using Stephen Jackson the way he is meant to be used, so they scare me.

This conference is TOUGH AS HELL. Granted we are still one of the better teams if you ask me, but I think we could potentially go 10-6 and miss the playoffs.

saskin · 11-08-2005, 11:35 PM

Turnovers, they really cost us the game in KC (especially points scored off of them) and the opening drive in Denver.

skinsfanthru&thru · 11-08-2005, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

portis is getting stuffed constantly while betts is always getting 4-6yards at a time? Then why do they both have the exact same 4.2ypc averages?

portis has a few more 10+ plus runs to counter-act his many 1-3 yard carries while Betts seems to more consistently hit the hole and pick up 4-6 yards. or maybe I'm the only one seeing portis constantly stalling at the line and pretty much falling forward to try and get back to the line of scrimage. in the last game for example he had 3 times the amount of carries for 4 yards or less than he did for 5 yards or more. he does a decent job of breakin a 10-20 yard run maybe once or twice a game, but is not as consistent as the team needs and as his contract would suggest and his injuries aren't helping the matter.

MTK · 11-09-2005, 12:23 AM

Betts had 2 carries for 4 yards against Philly, as a team we only averaged 2.7 per rush.

I chalked it up more to Philly doing a solid job against the run than anything our backs did wrong.

skinsfanthru&thru · 11-09-2005, 01:00 AM

I saw the last game as it was more that the backs couldn't see the open running lanes than it was the iggles defense. I just thought with him coming to town that we would have seen more big plays with the ball in his hands than he's provided. I still think it's too early to deem it a bust of a move, but he hasn't been the back we thought and hoped he'd be so far in his season and a half with the team which has multiple factors. And the present he still isn't leading the offense to a top 5-10 rushing offense like we thought he might.

View Poll Results: What is the biggest concern for the Skins playoff chances?
Tough division	17	16.83%
Turnovers	43	42.57%
Defensive breakdowns (big plays)	21	20.79%
Lack of consistently strong running game	15	14.85%
Other	5	4.95%
Voters: 101. You may not vote on this poll

11-08-2005, 03:46 PM	#16
hail_2_da_skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 68 Posts: 868	Re: 2nd half concerns Skins have a killer schedule. You would think the Skins were 11-5 last year. @Tampa Bay Dangerous team Raiders Can score a ton of poins Chargers L.T. @Rams Bulger, Holt and Bruce will probably be healthy. @Cardinals They better beat the Cards! Cowboys The girls always give the Skins problems. Giants Revenge is Sweet! @Eagles Who made this schedule? Three division opponents in a row.

11-08-2005, 06:04 PM	#17
SkinsLove24/7 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bowie, MD Age: 37 Posts: 423	Re: 2nd half concerns Simply if you take the ball away from your opponent they can't make the big plays on offense.

11-08-2005, 07:46 PM	#19
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 50 Posts: 5,311	Re: 2nd half concerns We can only choose one? I selected defensive breakdowns. Thankfully, they seemed to have fixed the run-stopping problems by giving Westbrook the slap down. Then again, it was Philadelphia. We'll see how they've adjusted this weekend against Cadillac Williams. A close second is lack of a strong running game. So far, Gibbs has not been able to do what he really wants to do -- wear down opponents by running the ball 35 times or more. I would say turnovers, but judging by the way normally sound ball carriers like Thrash and Cooley bobbled the ball the other night, it's obvious these players just aren't as interested in controlling turnovers the way we Warpathers and Joe Gibbs are. Betts had another one, too. For the first time this season though, all of those fumbles just happen to bounce in our favor. Derrick Dockery and Pierson Prioleau were the reason the Redskins defeated the Eagles Sunday night.

11-08-2005, 08:02 PM	#21
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 44 Posts: 3,813	Re: 2nd half concerns I was close to voting for turnovers but I had to go with a strong running game. Some of the turnovers have resulted in us having to pass more than we should have to and although I really like Portis, it amazes me how he seems incapable of getting off a run of more than 15 yards. I don't know if it's his occasional lack of patience or him sometimes waiting too long and missing the hole, but he just never seems to be able to slip through the linebackers and into the secondary. He's getting way too many 1-3 yard carries where as whenever Betts comes in he seems to be getting 4-6 yards atleast on every carry and is breaking through tackles and carrying people on his back for a little extra each time. The running game gaining some strength would go a long way to helping with ball control and getting the wrs in more one on one situations.

11-08-2005, 10:28 PM	#25
Riggo44 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Clemente CA Age: 51 Posts: 2,390	Re: 2nd half concerns Turnovers! We would have beat K.C for sure if we could have won the turnover battle.It's really hard to win the close games if you don't. __________________ Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Benjamin Franklin

11-08-2005, 10:34 PM	#26
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Re: 2nd half concerns For me its the division and conference were in. Last season, we would have almost wrapped up a damn playoff spot by now. This season is going to be really tough. I think there could even be a 10-6 team left out. Breaking it down the way I see it in the NFC.... NFC East: Everyone is still in it. Even though Philadelphia is 4-4, they are just as much in it as the 6-2 Giants if you ask me. I think all four teams are going to be comepting for a division crown and one wildcard spot. NFC North: Chicago will get the divison and no wildcard. NFC South: I think both Carolina and Atlanta will be locks for the playoffs. Tampa Bay will fade, but is still very much in it with a 5-3 record. NFC West: Seattle will win the divsion. I think St. Louis can still compete as they are now using Stephen Jackson the way he is meant to be used, so they scare me. This conference is TOUGH AS HELL. Granted we are still one of the better teams if you ask me, but I think we could potentially go 10-6 and miss the playoffs. __________________ #21

11-08-2005, 11:35 PM	#27
saskin Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Antonio Age: 36 Posts: 355	Re: 2nd half concerns Turnovers, they really cost us the game in KC (especially points scored off of them) and the opening drive in Denver.

11-09-2005, 12:23 AM	#29
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	Re: 2nd half concerns Betts had 2 carries for 4 yards against Philly, as a team we only averaged 2.7 per rush. I chalked it up more to Philly doing a solid job against the run than anything our backs did wrong.

11-09-2005, 01:00 AM	#30
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 44 Posts: 3,813	Re: 2nd half concerns I saw the last game as it was more that the backs couldn't see the open running lanes than it was the iggles defense. I just thought with him coming to town that we would have seen more big plays with the ball in his hands than he's provided. I still think it's too early to deem it a bust of a move, but he hasn't been the back we thought and hoped he'd be so far in his season and a half with the team which has multiple factors. And the present he still isn't leading the offense to a top 5-10 rushing offense like we thought he might.

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