Is it just me....

[saskin]

And he claims we disrespected him.....oh well....it'll be that much more sweeter when we beat them!

[itvnetop]

trust me, he could have said a lot worse than what he did... him not winning in december with us isn't that big of a deal.

i still like the guy- he worked his butt off for us and when he left for NY, alot of people were saying he isn't worth it (it was GW's system that made him look good, etc)... he's disproving that this season. even though the NY contract wasn't that much more than what we offerred, he probably felt disrespected by his own team. it's probably why he stayed in division.

i always felt that losing him was worse than losing smoot... pierce was cerebral on the field- he knew where to line everyone up... look at how many big plays we've given up this season compared to last.

having said all that, on game day I hope portis knocks him on his ass.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

I wasn't horribely mad at AP when he left because he got a HELL of a lot more money from the gints....

Ummmm no. The difference in what the Skins' final offer was and the Giants' was less than a million over the life of the deal I believe. He was mad because the Skins didn't blow everyone out of the water with their initial offer which was way below what he ended up getting from the Giants. Apparently he is one of those types who likes to play the disrespected card to justify abandoning the team that gave him his first shot just for a few extra bucks. He has a very weak argument about being disrespected. He went for the money plaun and simple. And not much more in the end. Smoot definitely got a load more than what the skins ended up offering.

[That Guy]

I think he liked the NY market and the fact that they offered a LOT more money than what he expected from anyone helped his decision. I would have liked to have kept him, but whatever, marshall is a good enough LB and as long as holdman stays off the field, we should be alright.

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Ummmm no. The difference in what the Skins' final offer was and the Giants' was less than a million over the life of the deal I believe. He was mad because the Skins didn't blow everyone out of the water with their initial offer which was way below what he ended up getting from the Giants. Apparently he is one of those types who likes to play the disrespected card to justify abandoning the team that gave him his first shot just for a few extra bucks. He has a very weak argument about being disrespected. He went for the money plaun and simple. And not much more in the end. Smoot definitely got a load more than what the skins ended up offering.

my fault, i guess i forgot . I had thought that Smoot's offer was just more front loaded and Pierce's was more money and we didn't want to give him that much. I guess that is true in a sense but i thought that Pierce got much more over there and when we got a chance to match we just said "nah bitch"

[56FAN]

Both of them were front loaded, we offered smoot an 11mil signing bonus, he laughed then he signed a contract with the vikings for an 11 mil signing bonus and a front loaded contract. fact we offered the same or very very close to what these others offered and they chose to walk. remember that's why bugel said soo much for being lifelong skins, throw alittle money at them and they walk.

[onlydarksets]

Definitely a cheap shot, but isn't that what you are supposed to do to your old team?

[MTK]

Well, he is speaking the truth isn't he?

The Skins haven't been to the playoffs since '99. Kinda hard to argue against his point.

[#56fanatic]

I dont see where its a shot at the team, no more than him telling the truth. We weren't winning, at all. If we were do you think people like him, champ would have wanted out. we are an organization in constant flux. Champ got tired of it, smoot and pierce. Cant blame them. They went to organizations that are stable, year in and year out. With exception to the Vikings, but they seem to have turned things around. We have as well, but we say that every year so what would make them believe that and stay. Lets just focus on making this an organization people want to join because of winning tradition, not because Dan offers you the most money.

[skins052bgr8]

Classless whether it is the truth or not, he could have spoken on the success of the Giants season easily without bringing the Skins into the conversation. It seems some of these athletes just won't grow up it is always someone else why they did not succeed, the system, the team, the owners, etc... They make Millions and are offered millions, but still bad mouth the previous team and claim he was done wrong.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I dont see where its a shot at the team, no more than him telling the truth. We weren't winning, at all. If we were do you think people like him, champ would have wanted out. we are an organization in constant flux. Champ got tired of it, smoot and pierce. Cant blame them. They went to organizations that are stable, year in and year out.

If that were true, I would agree. However, look at the Gyants record over the last 12 years:

YEAR     RECORD     FINISH              POSTSEASON
2004     6-10-0     T2nd -- NFC East    --
2003     4-12-0     4th -- NFC East     --
2002     10-6-0     2nd -- NFC East     0-1 - Lost Wild Card Playoffs
2001      7-9-0     T3rd -- NFC East    --
2000     12-4-0     1st -- NFC East     2-1 - Lost Superbowl
1999      7-9-0     3rd -- NFC East     --
1998      8-8-0     3rd -- NFC East     --
1997     10-5-1     1st -- NFC East     0-1 - Lost Wild Card Playoffs
1996     6-10-0     5th -- NFC East     --
1995     5-11-0     4th -- NFC East     --
1994      9-7-0     2nd -- NFC East     --

A couple more playoff appearances, but that doesn't look a whole lot different than our record. LOTS of losing seasons, and NO consistency (other than losing).

EDIT: It just occurred to me that maybe you meant that the organization was constant, as opposed to consistently winning. If so, does the consistency of a losing organization really matter?

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

If that were true, I would agree. However, look at the Gyants record over the last 12 years:

YEAR RECORD FINISH POSTSEASON
2004 6-10-0 T2nd -- NFC East --
2003 4-12-0 4th -- NFC East --
2002 10-6-0 2nd -- NFC East 0-1 - Lost Wild Card Playoffs
2001 7-9-0 T3rd -- NFC East --
2000 12-4-0 1st -- NFC East 2-1 - Lost Superbowl
1999 7-9-0 3rd -- NFC East --
1998 8-8-0 3rd -- NFC East --
1997 10-5-1 1st -- NFC East 0-1 - Lost Wild Card Playoffs
1996 6-10-0 5th -- NFC East --
1995 5-11-0 4th -- NFC East --
1994 9-7-0 2nd -- NFC East --

A couple more playoff appearances, but that doesn't look a whole lot different than our record. LOTS of losing seasons, and NO consistency (other than losing).

How many head coaching changes with the Giants compared to the Redskins? Two to five or six. The organization as a whole is what I am referring to. However, the Giants have gone to the playoffs 3 times compared to our 1. One superbowl compared to our ZERO!! I'd say they have had better years since 97 than we have.

[onlydarksets]

The Gyants have had 3 head coaches, we have had 4.

They have had 3 winning seasons in 10 years.

Do you remember how pitiful the NFC was the year they went to the Super Bowl? Plus, they LOST in the Superbowl, and were nowhere near going to it the year before or the year after.

Their last 2 seasons they were worse than we were.

We have a new staff in place headed by one of the most respected head coaches of ALL time.

This was a money and ego decision by Pierce.


#56fanatic: Prior to you responding I had updated my previous post with this:
It occurred to me that maybe you meant that the organization was constant, as opposed to consistently winning. If so, does the consistency of a losing organization really matter?

[onlydarksets]

Re: the number of head coaches, I didn't count Robiskie, who was an interim coach for 3 games 5 years ago.

[BigSKINBauer]

i don't care if it is true or not. He doesn't have to talk about us to the media at all and he has done it a couple times this year. I have no respect for him