Skins fans should hope Ramsey starts and does well for the offseason (merged)

[MTK]

The writing is on the wall guys, unless the market suddenly dries up for Ramsey he's headed elsewhere this offseason. Brunell will be back as the starter and Campbell will continue to be groomed for the not so distant future.

[scowan]

Brunell will be fine this week. I would like to think our formula this week, will be to run it as much as possible and that will keep Brunell healthy. He should only go back to pass when neccessary or if it is obvious we have a deep shot down the field with Moss. I think we can beat the Eagles easily if we get up on them early. Maybe Ramsey comes in a little toward the end in some mop up duty.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think you have lost track of why the game is played. It is not for the offseason and draft picks.
The true goal is to get to the playoffs and win the super bowl. You play your best players, the one's that have gotten you there. Not some guy on the bench because you want to get a better draft pick for him in the offseason.

I am not sure why Ramsey fans continue to bring up last year like that represents Brunells entire career. Here we are at 9-6 and one victory away from the playoffs and some are still putting down Brunnell.
I guess Ramsey's incredible track record and winning career in college and the NFL makes him the obvious better choice.

Maybe my post wasn't clear, if not I apologize. Brunnell is the better QB IF he's healthy, and that's a big IF. We have seen what happens to Brunnell when his legs are injured, he can't step into his throws and Gibbs won't yank him. If Brunnell takes the field and his balls fall 3 feet in front of the receivers like last year, Gibbs better go to Ramsey and quick. If he does go to Ramsey, then it only benefits everyone if Ramsey plays well. If Ramsey plays well in a game or two it drastically increases his value. There is no way we get a 2nd rounder for him at this point unless he shows something. Right now, we would probably get a 5th rounder for the guy.

[Hog1]

If Brunell can't go, how big a game is this for Patrick? He needs to show he's not just bench fodder? For his own self-esteem, he needs a good "clean" win? For potential future team oppurtunities elsewhere (if that happens) he needs some good "pressure game" tape? HUGE!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Maybe my post wasn't clear, if not I apologize. Brunnell is the better QB IF he's healthy, and that's a big IF. We have seen what happens to Brunnell when his legs are injured, he can't step into his throws and Gibbs won't yank him. If Brunnell takes the field and his balls fall 3 feet in front of the receivers like last year, Gibbs better go to Ramsey and quick. If he does go to Ramsey, then it only benefits everyone if Ramsey plays well. If Ramsey plays well in a game or two it drastically increases his value. There is no way we get a 2nd rounder for him at this point unless he shows something. Right now, we would probably get a 5th rounder for the guy.

I would think that if Brunells is bad enough for him to have trouble throwing the ball the coaches would no that before the game ever starts. I do not understand why so many people want to see Ramsey play it was Brunell who has got us this far. Ramsey did play a good half for us but remember he only threw 7 passes 5 comp for 104 yards and 74 came on one play.

[Redskins_P]

Personally I hope Brunell plays, but if Ramsey plays he should treat as an audition for another team next season. If he plays well, it helps us because his trade value goes up.

But this would probably be Ramsey's biggest game of his career. If he can help us win...his confidence goes way up.

[dmek25]

i hope brunell plays,but only if he is healthy.if not,ramsey should be more than enough to beat the eagles

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I would think that if Brunells is bad enough for him to have trouble throwing the ball the coaches would no that before the game ever starts. I do not understand why so many people want to see Ramsey play it was Brunell who has got us this far. Ramsey did play a good half for us but remember he only threw 7 passes 5 comp for 104 yards and 74 came on one play.

That is exactly right. Gibbs and staff are not morons, they will make the right call on game day. I will lose my voice cheering for whoever plays.

Firstdown,
You bring up a good second point:
I was looking at the highlights of the Giants game and I noticed the throw from Ramsey to Moss on the 75yd TD, the throw actually only traveled 15-20 yards in the air before Moss caught it. Then the defender slipped and Moss sprinted 55 yards on his own. So Ramsey really only threw 5 of 7 for 54 yards.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Maybe my post wasn't clear, if not I apologize. Brunnell is the better QB IF he's healthy, and that's a big IF. We have seen what happens to Brunnell when his legs are injured, he can't step into his throws and Gibbs won't yank him. If Brunnell takes the field and his balls fall 3 feet in front of the receivers like last year, Gibbs better go to Ramsey and quick. If he does go to Ramsey, then it only benefits everyone if Ramsey plays well. If Ramsey plays well in a game or two it drastically increases his value. There is no way we get a 2nd rounder for him at this point unless he shows something. Right now, we would probably get a 5th rounder for the guy.

Well, that injury last year was a hammy, far more serious and time consuming injury than what he sustained this past weekend. I'm confident that Mark Brunell will be starting this weekend. I don't believe you put in Patrick Ramsey for the sake of seeing if we can push his value up for the offseason. I believe you stick with Brunell to try and win a playoff spot. If we were 6-9 at this point, yeah I'd play Patrick Ramsey.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

That is exactly right. Gibbs and staff are not morons, they will make the right call on game day. I will lose my voice cheering for whoever plays.

Firstdown,
You bring up a good second point:
I was looking at the highlights of the Giants game and I noticed the throw from Ramsey to Moss on the 75yd TD, the throw actually only traveled 15-20 yards in the air before Moss caught it. Then the defender slipped and Moss sprinted 55 yards on his own. So Ramsey really only threw 5 of 7 for 54 yards.

I will give him credit for the 75 yards because Brunell gets the same credit. The point I was trying to make is that alot of his passing yards where that one play.

[skinsttw]

Brunell will start unless he cannot walk. He wants to win and he is a fierce competitor. Also, this may be his last chance to go to the playoffs.

[EternalEnigma21]

I didnt read all of the posts because of limited time, but I think the point of the original post was not anti-brunell, but rather pro-brunell. I am a ramsey fan, but a brunell fan as well (at least this year lol) and I would hate like hell for him to get hurt going into the post season. I'm not sure if I could make the decision, and I know none of you are in a position to, but I may rest brunell, because I know that kearse, and the rest of the eagles D will probably be gunning for his legs to take him out... and that limits our options going into the post season (if we make it).

I'm a card player, and I belive what is called "momentum" has alot to do with having more options than your opponent. When you limit options you force someone to play a hand, and if you make a decision to hold a card back you control how your opponent plays, and then you have the ace up your sleeve.

However if brunell is taken away, we're forced into a situation that could be bad for us in the long run, because we lose a mobile QB, then any team playing us can confidently stack the box and blitz both for running and pass russhing, because we have limited options on how to counter that.

[railcon56]

not true what mobile QB has won a a superbowl name even 1? look at brady .....i think u still lose abit with that mobilty....Ramsey can make throws that brunell simply cant make.... in fact his brain wont even let him consider them.... and for ramsey its a flip of the wrist... Name 1 pass over the middle longer than a slant that u have seen him throw in the last 5 weeks.... as high as that TD Ramsey threw was brunell could not have made it... i bet ya moss and the boys want Ramsey throwing that ball to him.... And as good as the offensive line is playing Ramsey would pick them apart .his release looked very crisp sunday.... and picking up on 3rd and 4th receivers...brunell might make 1 good run a game and a flip pass or 2 ..but how many open guys does he miss down field?????? cause he cant make a throw? maybe thats why he throws it away so much.. and Ramsey isnt exactly Lane...

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

not true what mobile QB has won a a superbowl name even 1? look at brady .....i think u still lose abit with that mobilty....Ramsey can make throws that brunell simply cant make.... in fact his brain wont even let him consider them.... and for ramsey its a flip of the wrist... Name 1 pass over the middle longer than a slant that u have seen him throw in the last 5 weeks.... as high as that TD Ramsey threw was brunell could not have made it... i bet ya moss and the boys want Ramsey throwing that ball to him.... And as good as the offensive line is playing Ramsey would pick them apart .his release looked very crisp sunday.... and picking up on 3rd and 4th receivers...brunell might make 1 good run a game and a flip pass or 2 ..but how many open guys does he miss down field?????? cause he cant make a throw? maybe thats why he throws it away so much.. and Ramsey isnt exactly Lane...

I'm not going to waste a lot of time trying to understand the cheerleading for Ramsey after an overthrown pass that Santana was able to pull down and finish with a TD. I think it is strange that many Redskins fans are more concerned with trivializing the QB situation rather than deal with the Eagles and our chances of sweeping another NFC rival. Don't be so quick to replace a QB who lead this team to an immpressive ass whipping of Dallas. Only Brunell could have pulled that off and he did. Just wait and see how fare Brunell can take us.

[railcon56]

But look if Mark does play i more than hope he has an All WORLD DAY!!!! I just personally think Ramsey is a better QB...but 1st of all I want the Skins to beat the eagles sweep.... we have nothing but eagles fans and dallas fans at work ..(I live in PA) i already have my broom redy right by the door.... and i am gonna be the biggest asshole to those fans like they were to me for so many years...