Campbell's numbers dont lie

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't know of any fantasy football league on the planet that uses completion percentage or quarterback rating to score it's players. Have we not played fantasy football?

If you can make an airtight statistical argument that Campbell is not getting it done when it matters (without using the 'it' cliche, because frankly, no one cares), I'll hat tip you and move on. Otherwise, you're just being a blowhard for everyone elses QB, who have not been as good as Jason Campbell this year.

Have you been watched them play? Sanchez is the real deal. Cutler is the real deal. Campbell got the vast majority of his yards in and both of his TDs when opposing defenses were holding on to a lead and playing prevent. Rodney Harrison called Campbell out for what he is - a backup QB who no one is afraid of. He's certainly the best QB on our roster now, but come 2010, he won't be a starter for this team or any other in the NFL.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Have you been watched them play? Sanchez is the real deal. Cutler is the real deal. Campbell got the vast majority of his yards in and both of his TDs when opposing defenses were holding on to a lead and playing prevent. Rodney Harrison called Campbell out for what he is - a backup QB who no one is afraid of. He's certainly the best QB on our roster now, but come 2010, he won't be a starter for this team or any other in the NFL.

Rodney Harrison is an expert now? I think your bullshit meter is broken.

I've watched Cutler play for a long time and he impresses me no more or less than Campbell has. And now he's going through a system transition for the first time in his career, and the results haven't been very good. Sanchez has amazing attention to detail in his work and a lot of really smart people think he's going to be really special, but I happen to not be one of those people. Plus right now, it's not even close. You'd take Campbell's production over Sanchez' produciton 100 out of 100 times.

Sanchez might end up having the better career, but as Paintrain pointed out, who cares? We were never in position to draft him, no matter how serious we were about liking him. Blame Zorn for beating up on Dallas and Philly last year -- if you must.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Rodney Harrison is an expert now? I think your bullshit meter is broken.

I've watched Cutler play for a long time and he impresses me no more or less than Campbell has. And now he's going through a system transition for the first time in his career, and the results haven't been very good. Sanchez has amazing attention to detail in his work and a lot of really smart people think he's going to be really special, but I happen to not be one of those people. Plus right now, it's not even close. You'd take Campbell's production over Sanchez' produciton 100 out of 100 times.

Sanchez might end up having the better career, but as Paintrain pointed out, who cares? We were never in position to draft him, no matter how serious we were about liking him. Blame Zorn for beating up on Dallas and Philly last year -- if you must.

I'll take a recent elite defensive player with a superbowl rings opinion over most others any day of the week.

I don't see how you can actually watch Cutler and Campbell play and think theyre equal. Theyre most certainly not. And Josh McDaniels, a guy who coached the best QB in the league, a guy who knows more about QBs than anyone here wanted Kyle Orton over Jason Campbell. If that's not damning for Campbell, then I dont know what is.

As to Sanchez, the Jets have far less talent on Offense than we do. That, combined with the fact that he's a rookie, makes his performance that more impressive. I'm impressed when i watch him and I respect Trent Diflers opinion on QBs and he's very high on Sanchez. In 5 years, or whenever Manning and Brady retire, Sanchez will be one of the top 3 QBs in the league. No, we were not in a position to draft him, but we should have tried harder to put ourselves in a position to be. Now we're gonna be stuck drafting one of the overrated QBs in the 2010 draft. On the bright side, atleast whoever we hire to replace Zorn will get to pick his own QB.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Have you been watched them play? Sanchez is the real deal. Cutler is the real deal. Campbell got the vast majority of his yards in and both of his TDs when opposing defenses were holding on to a lead and playing prevent. Rodney Harrison called Campbell out for what he is - a backup QB who no one is afraid of. He's certainly the best QB on our roster now, but come 2010, he won't be a starter for this team or any other in the NFL.

Yeah, Cutler looked like the real deal when he threw pass after pass to Green Bay defenders. Some of those passes were the fault of his receivers but some of them were Cutler's fault.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Yeah, Cutler looked like the real deal when he threw pass after pass to Green Bay defenders. Some of those passes were the fault of his receivers but some of them were Cutler's fault.

Campbell threw atleast 2, and probably 3 balls that absolutely should have been intercepted against the Lions. If we werent playing the 2nd-worst team in football, Campbell would be looking alot worse right now.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Have you been watched them play? Sanchez is the real deal. Cutler is the real deal. Campbell got the vast majority of his yards in and both of his TDs when opposing defenses were holding on to a lead and playing prevent. Rodney Harrison called Campbell out for what he is - a backup QB who no one is afraid of. He's certainly the best QB on our roster now, but come 2010, he won't be a starter for this team or any other in the NFL.

He will be a starter for another team. You can put money on that. If you go look at the free agent QBs for next year. He is by far the best out of all of them. Lets see..

NFL Free Agents: 2010 NFL Free Agents

* People may say Orton is better. He does look better in the Denver system. So maybe Campbell does need a change of venue. It worked for Orton who was horrible with Chicago. So if he does leave who do we pick up?

College:

Top 3 prospects:

Sam Bradford: Prototype NFL QB skills. SHoudl ahve came out last year. NOw he has injured his throwing shoulder and it seems to be worse thatn what was intially expected.

Tebow: A great leader. Athletic. But I dont think his athleticsm is going transfer to the NFL. He is not going to be running around like he did in college. I like the kid but either he is going to be a great pick or a great bust.

*Suffered a concussion

McCoy: Has taken a step back since last year. He hs 5 ints already and had only 8 last season. Will his athleticsm transfer to NFL. I would give Tebow the nod before him as far as athleticsm.

I dont even want to go past this. Because whomever we pick up, if we pick up someone in the draft, woudl have to be a sure shot. If not we will run him out of town also.

Unless we are going to make a trade with another team. Which would probably cost us a draft pick. Which we need for OLs and LBs. We also need to look for CP's future replacement.

Maybe picking up someone's back-up. Vick?

the options don't seem that great. Why do you think Vinny and DS were trying to grab someone so badly this offseason?

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

NFL Free Agents: 2010 NFL Free Agents

Looks like we can bring back Pat Ramsey. Yeah!

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

He will be a starter for another team. You can put money on that.

I'd be willing to put money on that! No way does he start for another team next year. He may still be our starter, but no one elses. You would lose your money sir. The people that are saying he's not starting material here on this site, just mirror what other GMs and apparently ex players are saying.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm sure the insanity of your post has already been picked apart, but the stats you mention don't really mean much of anything. You're talking fantasy football stats, not real stats. The if you've watched the games, the vast majority of JC's production has come when we are behind late in the game and opposing defenses are playing prevent.

Of the quarteracks you mention with lower QB ratings than Campbell, not a single sane person would take Campbell over any of them. Nothing Campbell has shown me this year changes my opinion of him - he's the best QB on our roster, but he holds on to the ball too long, makes poor decions, can't get it done when it counts, and doesn't have the "it" factor you need in a franchise QB.

I garauntee by the end of the season, you and everyone who has made excuses for Campbell over the past several years will be regretting that we werent able to land Cutler or Sanchez in the offseason. I said it before and I'll restate it now - both of those guys are better than any QBs that will be available in the draft in 2010. I love Orakpo, but he's never going to single-handedly lead this team to the playoffs, which is something Cutler and Sanchez will be doing for their respective teams for years to come.

I agree 100%...I would have traded 3 #1 picks if that's what it took to get Cutler. The teams that win consistently in this league have great QB's.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by celts32

I agree 100%...I would have traded 3 #1 picks if that's what it took to get Cutler. The teams that win consistently in this league have great QB's.

Okay Vinny, the jig is up, we know that's you in there.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by dgack

Okay Vinny, the jig is up, we know that's you in there.

If I were Vinny then Cutler would be starting for the Redskins. 25 year old franchise QB's don't grow on trees. I am 38 years old and the Redskins have been looking for one my whole life.

I wish I were Vinny because then I could resign and save the Redskins.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by celts32

If I were Vinny then Cutler would be starting for the Redskins. 25 year old franchise QB's don't grow on trees. I am 38 years old and the Redskins have been looking for one my whole life.

I wish I were Vinny because then I could resign and save the Redskins.

I was referring to how casually you were willing to drop three #1 picks

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by celts32

If I were Vinny then Cutler would be starting for the Redskins. 25 year old franchise QB's don't grow on trees. I am 38 years old and the Redskins have been looking for one my whole life.

I wish I were Vinny because then I could resign and save the Redskins.

You said yourself we have been looking for a franchise QB and they don't grow on trees. What makes you so sure if we get rid of JC that we can find one or even draft one. I do believe we had Trent Green at 1 time as our QB and we let him go. Do you remember that? Do you remember Brad Johnson who once played for us and we let him go so we could play Jeff George? You remember those QB's Celts32 Huh? Stop whining about our QB and focus on the the O-line and Defense not getting off the field.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm sure the insanity of your post has already been picked apart, but the stats you mention don't really mean much of anything. You're talking fantasy football stats, not real stats. The if you've watched the games, the vast majority of JC's production has come when we are behind late in the game and opposing defenses are playing prevent.

Of the quarteracks you mention with lower QB ratings than Campbell, not a single sane person would take Campbell over any of them. Nothing Campbell has shown me this year changes my opinion of him - he's the best QB on our roster, but he holds on to the ball too long, makes poor decions, can't get it done when it counts, and doesn't have the "it" factor you need in a franchise QB.

I garauntee by the end of the season, you and everyone who has made excuses for Campbell over the past several years will be regretting that we werent able to land Cutler or Sanchez in the offseason. I said it before and I'll restate it now - both of those guys are better than any QBs that will be available in the draft in 2010. I love Orakpo, but he's never going to single-handedly lead this team to the playoffs, which is something Cutler and Sanchez will be doing for their respective teams for years to come.

So what do you want, a cookie? I don't really understand why Skins fans still even care about Cutler or Sanchez in relation to Campbell. It's not like we turned down offers for them. We tried to get them, but didn't. Big deal, move on. Worry about who we have, not who we don't. The Cutler/Sanchez talk is beyond pointless.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So what do you want, a cookie? I don't really understand why Skins fans still even care about Cutler or Sanchez in relation to Campbell. It's not like we turned down offers for them. We tried to get them, but didn't. Big deal, move on. Worry about who we have, not who we don't. The Cutler/Sanchez talk is beyond pointless.

Good point. We got JC for the rest of the year. If we want to talk about the future that's fine. If you know any free agent QBs or College Qbs that will be better then let's talk about that. But even then people are assuming that JC will be gone this season. He hasn't played that bad. Its only the third game. He can only get better. I think the running game is a QB's best friend once we get that going I guarantee all you haters that our offense wil thrive. Write it down. When we get our running game together, which we will, our whole offense will thrive. Its not JC fault that we are one dimensional. He does not control the o-line or rbs performances (or WRs for that matter). Someone said he has yet to hit someone in stride. But then he turns around and says he hits moss is stride for a touchdown. He misses open receivers. Its easy to sit on the sideline and say this and that. Things happen much quicker on the feel and no QB makes the right decisions 100% of the time. We have JC for the rest of the year. So please button your pie holes about ifs and buts. Support him or shut up. Because he is our QB. My belief is that he is going to be having a lot of people eating crow by the end of the season. We just need to get this running game going.

Support your QB. He is not Delhomme and even the Panthers still have faith in him. Fickle ass fans. I tell ya!!