Vikings Run Up The Score: Brooking vs. Pat Williams

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

The Redskins were awful this season, but we're under new management, we have high draft picks to supplement a talented roster, and our new coach has experience winning Super Bowls. Thankfully, I can't say the same of the Cowboys, a team that is always overrated and consistently underperforms when it counts. Who here thinks Wade Phillips will ever win a Super Bowl for Dallas? chirp.......chirp...........chirp.....

Hello? It got awful quiet in here.

[Smooter]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

You're like the ex-gf that can't get over being broken up with so you continuously post snarky responses on your ex-bf's facebook

get over it bro.. we're just not that into you

OMG I just lol'd.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

The Redskins were awful this season, but we're under new management, we have high draft picks to supplement a talented roster, and our new coach has experience winning Super Bowls. Thankfully, I can't say the same of the Cowboys, a team that is always overrated and consistently underperforms when it counts. Who here thinks Wade Phillips will ever win a Super Bowl for Dallas? chirp.......chirp...........chirp.....

I applaud the hiring of Shannahan, the best move that could have been made.

More importantly, and please do not take this in a bad way, it seems that Snyder has taken page out of Jerry Jones book.

After 3 consecutive 5-11 season with Dave Campo, Jones decided that in the best interest of the club that he needed to "release the reins" a bit. He hired Bill Parcells and surrendered a lot of the control that he had. The result was good and the talent level increased dramtically.

Snyder has done something very similar with Shanny, and that is a smart move in my opinion.

But based on your statement, failure is anything less than a Super Bowl. So every year, based on what you said, there are 31 teams that fail.

And yeah, Shannahan has experience winning Super Bowls. But so does Parcells. And since the 1986 season how many Super Bowls has he won since? With the Pats, Jets or Cowboys?

Shannahan won 2 Super Bowls with arugueably one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game. Since that QB left the NFL, Shannahan won only one playoff game, just one.

And while that subject is in the air, how many coaches in the Super Bowl era have EVER won Super Bowls with 2 different teams?

None is the correct answer. Guys like Parcells, Holmgren, Shula, Vermeil, Reeves and Gruden have made it to the SB with different teams. But none has ever WON Super Bowls with 2 different teams.

Not saying Shanny won't get the job done, I am just saying if you are expecting "instant results" next season or even the following season, you may be just as disappointed as 2009.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I applaud the hiring of Shannahan, the best move that could have been made.

More importantly, and please do not take this in a bad way, it seems that Snyder has taken page out of Jerry Jones book.

After 3 consecutive 5-11 season with Dave Campo, Jones decided that in the best interest of the club that he needed to "release the reins" a bit. He hired Bill Parcells and surrendered a lot of the control that he had. The result was good and the talent level increased dramtically.

Snyder has done something very similar with Shanny, and that is a smart move in my opinion.

But based on your statement, failure is anything less than a Super Bowl. So every year, based on what you said, there are 31 teams that fail.

And yeah, Shannahan has experience winning Super Bowls. But so does Parcells. And since the 1986 season how many Super Bowls has he won since? With the Pats, Jets or Cowboys?

Shannahan won 2 Super Bowls with arugueably one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game. Since that QB left the NFL, Shannahan won only one playoff game, just one.

And while that subject is in the air, how many coaches in the Super Bowl era have EVER won Super Bowls with 2 different teams?

None is the correct answer. Guys like Parcells, Holmgren, Shula, Vermeil, Reeves and Gruden have made it to the SB with different teams. But none has ever WON Super Bowls with 2 different teams.

Not saying Shanny won't get the job done, I am just saying if you are expecting "instant results" next season or even the following season, you may be just as disappointed as 2009.

And as the players which Parcells acquired leave the Cowboys roster, the talent level will go down. Jerry Jones forgot his "lesson."

BTW the "how many coaches have won Super Bowls with two different teams" thing is a bit of a straw dog. "It can't be done" and "it hasn't been done" are two different statements which should not be confused. I am not arguing that Shanahan will win a SB or anything like that, I'm am simply pointing out a logically flawed if common argument.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Lotus

And as the players which Parcells acquired leave the Cowboys roster, the talent level will go down. Jerry Jones forgot his "lesson."

BTW the "how many coaches have won Super Bowls with two different teams" thing is a bit of a straw dog. "It can't be done" and "it hasn't been done" are two different statements which should not be confused. I am not arguing that Shanahan will win a SB or anything like that, I'm am simply pointing out a logically flawed if common argument.

Never meant that it could not be done.

My point in my response to the gentlemens post was simply to recommend PATIENCE where Shanny and the new coaching staff are concerned.

Zorn and his staff were not the only obstacle facing the Redskins.

Just saying that by hiring Shanny and Allen, it is not like you "just add water" and viola, your in the Super Bowl next year.

And as far as the "talent level" lost after Parcells, I disagree adamantly. Quite to the contrary that some of the most explosive players Dallas has were drafted by Phillips.

Felix Jones
Anthony Spencer
Mike Jenkins
Tashard Choice

And keeping an eye on Victor Butler, he looks very promising.

Just to name a few.

[tryfuhl]

So what's the speculation that Phillips is kept around because he's a puppet guy for Jones?

[murphy196]

Well, he is definitley a puppet for Jones. I mean how many owners actually come down to the sidelines during the game? As anal as everyone say Snyder is, I've never seen him on the sidelines. The only reason Jones extended Phillips an additional is year is so he's not a lame duck coach with just 1 year left. If the Cowgirls shit the bed again like they did to end the 2009 season, Phillips will be fired as quickly as Zorn was.

[CRedskinsRule]

I think Jerry considers himself(or wants to be) the headcoach to some degree, thus he has Wade as his DC, and Garrett as the OC. I don't see Wade as any more of a true HC then people considered JZ in his last weeks here.

[MTK]

Wade is now 33-15 regular season with the Cowboys so it's hard to hate on that record. If Shanahan puts up a similar record I don't think you'll hear many complaints around here.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Wade is now 33-15 regular season with the Cowboys so it's hard to hate on that record. If Shanahan puts up a similar record I don't think you'll hear many complaints around here.

You better pass whatever you are smokin on! We could win a Superbowl with Shanny and there will still be complaints because we didn't get the 1st round bye or something.

[over the mountain]

^^ when you go 4-12 with 2 decent seasons sprinkled in over the past decade any fan base is going to complain.

[MTK]

All fans complain, listen to NFL radio enough and you would think every team in the league blows.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

So what's the speculation that Phillips is kept around because he's a puppet guy for Jones?

All I can say is "What a difference a year makes".

Take a look at the NFC East at the end of the 2008-2009 season...Dallas was a train wreck of dysfunction. Everyone here saw it, the team was falling apart from within and of the 4 teams in the division, the future was most bleak for Dallas.

"Take out the trash", TO, Tank, Pac-Man all kicked to the curb. Then it fell to the coaches to get the team moving in the right direction.

At the end of this season, now, Dallas is probably in the BEST shape in the division moving forward.

You can bet that Phillips got a lot of the credit for the renewed team continuity and that had a lot to do with his extension.

[skinzfan4ever]

teams can play the way they want.the only thing i dont believe in is trying to purposely to hurt soemone.other than that it's fair game.i guess his mouth wrote a check his butt couldn't cash.he should have understood that he was really angry with himself and the defense that was going to stomp on the Vikings when they were down.

[Chevy13]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I'd just like to remind everyone that over the past couple of years we've moaned and groaned about how Farve has gone back and fourth on retirement the last few offseasons (myself included). This year though I don't want to hear a peep from anyone. Farve is now officially a hero in Redskin nation. He stopped a Dallas playoff run and took away the right for Dallas fans to heckle us more then they already do. I don't know about you guys but I'm building a Farve shrine in my room right now that will make John Madden jealous.

In honor of that ass whooping I'll be rooting for the Vikes to win it all and I'm changing my avatar until they get eliminated!