New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I'm 100% OK with a fair sanction like that...it just needs to be fair. Meaning the league is going to have to spend the next several years probably hunting this crap down across the league going back however many years.

It sounds to me like honestly the league is just pissed they tried to end this quietly and the organization seemed to basically ignore them. I mean Benson told Loomis to stop it and Loomis didn't stop it...yet Loomis has a job still? I know in my job if my boss hauls me into his office and point-blank tells me to do something i either do it or get fired.

Yeah, that and the fact the Saints (maybe it was Loomis, not sure who exactly) at first denied it was even happening.

I'm still really curious to know if the Rams knew about this before they hire Gregg Williams to be their defensive coordinator. Because if they did, I can't believe they hired him. And if they didn't, I can't believe the league didn't warn them about this investigation.

I'm also a bit surprised considering this investigation that the NFL would choose the Saints to be participants in the Hall of Fame game

[REDSKINS4ever]

The NFL has always been a rough league. It's been that way since the days of leather helmets. Gregg Williams was wrong because he disrespected the game in the way he did, and plus as much as I wanted him to be the head coach of the Washington Redskins after Gibbs stepped down, I'm now shaking my head and sort of glad that Daniel Snyder didn't hire him because as a head coach, the level of his disrespect for the game would have been greater. He's a great defensive coordinator. I give him that. In a way, as a life long Redskins fan, I did want him to be our head coach. But I see him differently now. If Roger Goddell severly punishes Williams, and I know he will, Williams could always go to North Western, Central Arkansas, or North Texas and have a job in building up a college football program.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Matt Bowen: Bounties are part of the NFL - Chicago Tribune

Springs with another take

Springs on bounties: "That wasn't what it was" - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

Either way, there are certainly players saying the intent was to harm. This was known and encouraged all the way up to the general manager. A convicted felon helped fund the program. The Saints were warned and did nothing. All those things combined lead to serious penalties being levied on the Saints.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, that and the fact the Saints (maybe it was Loomis, not sure who exactly) at first denied it was even happening.

I'm still really curious to know if the Rams knew about this before they hire Gregg Williams to be their defensive coordinator. Because if they did, I can't believe they hired him. And if they didn't, I can't believe the league didn't warn them about this investigation.

I'm also a bit surprised considering this investigation that the NFL would choose the Saints to be participants in the Hall of Fame game

Great points. As far as GW's hiring by the Rams, I wouldn't be surprised if his buddy Jeff Fisher knew about his bounty program. Whether or not he was going to allow it in his locker room is a different story. But yeah, it's strange that the NFL wouldn't have informed the Rams about the investigation and the potential severity of the situation.

As far as the HOF game, do the Saints have some important former players up for selection or something? It's a shame because instead of celebration the history of the game, that entire week is going to be bounty-gate ad nausem.

[GMScud]

Per Adam Schefter, GW is in NYC today meeting with NFL officials.

[SkinzWin]

NFL Live 4 pm E/T on ESPN today. Special Roundtable discussion of Bounties in the NFL.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Not sure where you work but my bonuses come with taxes already taken out.

I've worked at places where there were cash bonuses.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I've worked at places where there were cash bonuses.

Chippendale Club?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I do, it's illegal, and I'm sure the IRS has an eye on this too since I don't think these guys were claiming the additional income.

The whole evading taxes bit here is a petty reason to be honest. Let's think about how many office pools across America that are never reported as income. However, the bigger issue in all of this is circumventing the salary cap. Looked what happened to the Minnesota Timberwolves when they tried to pay Joe Smith under the table. They got slammed big time.


I really don't think bonuses for head hunting really mean anything these days because the fines usually occurred by dirty play will always be greater than that of the pool they might be winning. However, no coach should teach or suggest dirty play of any sort. You can knock opponents out of the game without having to succumb to dirty tactics.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GMScud

WRONG.

This from Bufffalo:

NFL.com news: Former Bills safety Wire reveals 'bounty' system under Williams

Wire told The Buffalo News in Sunday's editions that "there was financial compensation" for delivering hits that seriously injured opponents, and three other former teammates, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also confirmed it to the newspaper.

So there you go. There's a player saying guys were paid to deliver hits that "seriously injured opponents."

OK so you've got your one guy that hit a guy legally that knocked him out of the game. But you've also got several that say..."no big deal, this is a part of football"....I'm not goiing to get into a pissing contest with you over this. You've got your opinion and I've got mine.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I've worked at places where there were cash bonuses.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The whole invading taxes bit here is a petty reason to be honest. Let's think about how many office pools across America that are never reported as income. However, the bigger issue in all of this is circumventing the salary cap. Looked what happened to the Minnesota Timberwolves when they tried to pay Joe Smith under the table. They got slammed big time.


I really don't think bonuses for head hunting really mean anything these days because the fines usually occurred by dirty play will always be greater than that of the pool they might be winning. However, no coach should teach or suggest dirty play of any sort. You can knock opponents out of the game without having to succumb to dirty tactics.

evade. Evading taxes. Invading would be by Seal Team 6.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The whole invading taxes bit here is a petty reason to be honest. Let's think about how many office pools across America that are never reported as income. However, the bigger issue in all of this is circumventing the salary cap. Looked what happened to the Minnesota Timberwolves when they tried to pay Joe Smith under the table. They got slammed big time.


I really don't think bonuses for head hunting really mean anything these days because the fines usually occurred by dirty play will always be greater than that of the pool they might be winning. However, no coach should teach or suggest dirty play of any sort. You can knock opponents out of the game without having to succumb to dirty tactics.

Petty? We're not talking about a couple of bucks in a measly office pool, we're talking thousands of dollars flying around. Vilma reportedly tossed $10k on a table for someone to take out Favre in the '09 playoff game. Don't you think the IRS wants a piece of that?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Even though it is against the rules? Blatantly so. Oh, and illegal.

It's against the rules to give a player a few extra dollars for decking Tony Romo. I guess Daniels is going to hell and jail for not paying the IRS.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

OK so you've got your one guy that hit a guy legally that knocked him out of the game. But you've also got several that say..."no big deal, this is a part of football"....I'm not goiing to get into a pissing contest with you over this. You've got your opinion and I've got mine.

There's more than one guy.