Gun Control Thread- Should we?

RedskinRat · 12-27-2012, 02:58 PM

BATFE should be tasked with enforcing these rules if they aren't already.

Selling a firearm to a person who isn't allowed one should result in a prison term.

Society as a whole has to step up.

Daseal · 12-27-2012, 03:02 PM

RR - It's easy to say enforce laws, but you're not giving any way for them to actually be executed. Thats why some of my suggestions included people who have their weapons used in crimes be partially responsible for the crime. It's a way to force people to keep track of their guns.

RedskinRat · 12-27-2012, 03:07 PM

ATF Online - Firearms - Enforcement

RedskinRat · 12-28-2012, 12:12 PM

And another link:

Celebrity Anti-gun PSA

Demand Celebrities Go F*ck Themselves [Extended...

HailGreen28 · 12-28-2012, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

And another link:

Celebrity Anti-gun PSA

(snip awesome vid)

Great video.

I don't think the First Amendment should be sacrificed for the Second, but as long as we're talking about tweaking the law under the 2nd, those hypocritical celebs should definitely look themselves in the mirror and talk about tweaking the law under the 1st as well.

Change the MPAA ratings, and enforce them, for starters?

Daseal · 12-28-2012, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

And another link:

Celebrity Anti-gun PSA

Demand Celebrities Go F*ck Themselves [Extended Cut] - YouTube

Yes. There's certainly no difference between their beliefs and the roles they're asked to play. Make believe versus real life. They are paid to take us away into an unrealistic world. Politically I'm sure they disagree with many roles they play. Their roles do not define their beliefs.

RedskinRat · 12-28-2012, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daseal

Yes. There's certainly no difference between their beliefs and the roles they're asked to play. Make believe versus real life. They are paid to take us away into an unrealistic world. Politically I'm sure they disagree with many roles they play. Their roles do not define their beliefs.

Or they could say "No, I'm not acting in a movie that glorifies violence"?

Of course they wouldn't, they are whores.

RedskinRat · 12-29-2012, 12:16 PM

Here's my solution:

From birth your behavior is recorded on a database.

For every positive action you gain credit, for every negative you lose credit. When you need to learn to drive, buy a house, a gun, drugs etc your rating is checked against the database. Simple.

This would also give 'society' as a whole a chance to correct negative behavior.

“Gun control is half-baked pacifism that…has as its corollary a duopoly of force in the hands of the state and the criminal.” C Hitchens

CRedskinsRule · 12-29-2012, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Here's my solution:

From birth your behavior is recorded on a database.

For every positive action you gain credit, for every negative you lose credit. When you need to learn to drive, buy a house, a gun, drugs etc your rating is checked against the database. Simple.

This would also give 'society' as a whole a chance to correct negative behavior.

“Gun control is half-baked pacifism that…has as its corollary a duopoly of force in the hands of the state and the criminal.” C Hitchens

Play god much?

RedskinRat · 12-29-2012, 05:28 PM

I'm an Atheist, I don't believe in me.

RedskinRat · 12-30-2012, 08:48 AM

Don't lie, you won't get called names.

You're wrong, everyone can see you're wrong. Now you compound it by being too gutless to just apologize.

Of course you're done. Crawl away.

HailGreen28 · 12-30-2012, 06:34 PM

You know, at risk of the NRA being able to tell us what we believe, as someone here said: I thought it might be helpful to post what the NRA said, not just a liberal description of what the NRA said that was posted earlier: Link

NRA PRESS CONFERENCE
12/21/2012

The National Rifle Association's 4 million mothers, fathers, sons and daughters join the nation in horror, outrage, grief and earnest prayer for the families of Newtown, Connecticut ... who suffered such incomprehensible loss as a result of this unspeakable crime.

Out of respect for those grieving families, and until the facts are known, the NRA has refrained from comment. While some have tried to exploit tragedy for political gain, we have remained respectfully silent.

Now, we must speak ... for the safety of our nation's children. Because for all the noise and anger directed at us over the past week, no one — nobody — has addressed the most important, pressing and immediate question we face: How do we protect our children right now, starting today, in a way that we know works?

The only way to answer that question is to face up to the truth. Politicians pass laws for Gun-Free School Zones. They issue press releases bragging about them. They post signs advertising them.

And in so doing, they tell every insane killer in America that schools are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk.

How have our nation's priorities gotten so far out of order? Think about it. We care about our money, so we protect our banks with armed guards. American airports, office buildings, power plants, courthouses — even sports stadiums — are all protected by armed security.

We care about the President, so we protect him with armed Secret Service agents. Members of Congress work in offices surrounded by armed Capitol Police officers.

Yet when it comes to the most beloved, innocent and vulnerable members of the American family — our children — we as a society leave them utterly defenseless, and the monsters and predators of this world know it and exploit it. That must change now!

(continue reading at link above)

Giantone · 12-31-2012, 08:11 AM

Punch It In,

Close to home.

Guns, ammunition found during Ocean Township traffic stop, police say | NJ.com

punch it in · 12-31-2012, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giantone

Punch It In,

Close to home.

Guns, ammunition found during Ocean Township traffic stop, police say | NJ.com

Lovely.....

RedskinRat · 01-01-2013, 12:02 PM

Excellent article that goes much deeper into the question 'Why?' these atrocities are happening:

Newtown and Violence - No Easy Answer

Whilst I don't agree with this point:

President Obama has called for meaningful action. In government, meaningful action is often symbolic, done in speeches and codified into law. Gun control would at the very least signal that things have shifted, that we will not accept this type of violence, that we are willing to place limits on our freedom for the collective good of our children.

This resonates:

We need to get better at dealing with young men and women prone to violence through our schools and in our neighborhoods. We need to engage in prison reform, and to rework our senseless jailing of so many non-violent offenders (often to great profit for the people who run prisons) and to direct many more resources to lowering alcohol and drug use rather than a continued engagement in a violent drug war. Much of the saved money from that “war” could then go to funding more community approaches to addressing violence. So, yes, reform before and after these violent acts.

12-27-2012, 02:58 PM	#1
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: Gun Control Thread- Should we? BATFE should be tasked with enforcing these rules if they aren't already. Selling a firearm to a person who isn't allowed one should result in a prison term. Society as a whole has to step up.

12-27-2012, 03:02 PM	#2
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	Re: Gun Control Thread- Should we? RR - It's easy to say enforce laws, but you're not giving any way for them to actually be executed. Thats why some of my suggestions included people who have their weapons used in crimes be partially responsible for the crime. It's a way to force people to keep track of their guns. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

12-27-2012, 03:07 PM	#3
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: Gun Control Thread- Should we? ATF Online - Firearms - Enforcement

12-29-2012, 12:16 PM	#8
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: Gun Control Thread- Should we? Here's my solution: From birth your behavior is recorded on a database. For every positive action you gain credit, for every negative you lose credit. When you need to learn to drive, buy a house, a gun, drugs etc your rating is checked against the database. Simple. This would also give 'society' as a whole a chance to correct negative behavior. “Gun control is half-baked pacifism that…has as its corollary a duopoly of force in the hands of the state and the criminal.” C Hitchens

12-30-2012, 06:34 PM	#12
HailGreen28 Playmaker Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 3,754	Re: Gun Control Thread- Should we? You know, at risk of the NRA being able to tell us what we believe, as someone here said: I thought it might be helpful to post what the NRA said, not just a liberal description of what the NRA said that was posted earlier: Link NRA PRESS CONFERENCE 12/21/2012 The National Rifle Association's 4 million mothers, fathers, sons and daughters join the nation in horror, outrage, grief and earnest prayer for the families of Newtown, Connecticut ... who suffered such incomprehensible loss as a result of this unspeakable crime. Out of respect for those grieving families, and until the facts are known, the NRA has refrained from comment. While some have tried to exploit tragedy for political gain, we have remained respectfully silent. Now, we must speak ... for the safety of our nation's children. Because for all the noise and anger directed at us over the past week, no one — nobody — has addressed the most important, pressing and immediate question we face: How do we protect our children right now, starting today, in a way that we know works? The only way to answer that question is to face up to the truth. Politicians pass laws for Gun-Free School Zones. They issue press releases bragging about them. They post signs advertising them. And in so doing, they tell every insane killer in America that schools are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk. How have our nation's priorities gotten so far out of order? Think about it. We care about our money, so we protect our banks with armed guards. American airports, office buildings, power plants, courthouses — even sports stadiums — are all protected by armed security. We care about the President, so we protect him with armed Secret Service agents. Members of Congress work in offices surrounded by armed Capitol Police officers. Yet when it comes to the most beloved, innocent and vulnerable members of the American family — our children — we as a society leave them utterly defenseless, and the monsters and predators of this world know it and exploit it. That must change now! (continue reading at link above)

12-29-2012, 05:28 PM	#10
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	I'm an Atheist, I don't believe in me.

12-30-2012, 08:48 AM	#11
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Don't lie, you won't get called names. You're wrong, everyone can see you're wrong. Now you compound it by being too gutless to just apologize. Of course you're done. Crawl away.

12-31-2012, 08:11 AM	#13
Giantone Gamebreaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 14,590	Re: Gun Control Thread- Should we? Punch It In, Close to home. Guns, ammunition found during Ocean Township traffic stop, police say \| NJ.com __________________ ....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread. Last edited by Giantone; 12-31-2012 at 10:04 AM.

01-01-2013, 12:02 PM	#15
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: Gun Control Thread- Should we? Excellent article that goes much deeper into the question 'Why?' these atrocities are happening: Newtown and Violence - No Easy Answer Whilst I don't agree with this point: President Obama has called for meaningful action. In government, meaningful action is often symbolic, done in speeches and codified into law. Gun control would at the very least signal that things have shifted, that we will not accept this type of violence, that we are willing to place limits on our freedom for the collective good of our children. This resonates: We need to get better at dealing with young men and women prone to violence through our schools and in our neighborhoods. We need to engage in prison reform, and to rework our senseless jailing of so many non-violent offenders (often to great profit for the people who run prisons) and to direct many more resources to lowering alcohol and drug use rather than a continued engagement in a violent drug war. Much of the saved money from that “war” could then go to funding more community approaches to addressing violence. So, yes, reform before and after these violent acts.

Gun Control Thread- Should we?

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