All things offseason discussion part II

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Why do movies, music, TV, etc.?

Well the point is the awards are already given on the field determined in competition and then individual awards are giving by the league. I heard Drake was funny though...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Well the point is the awards are already given on the field determined in competition and then individual awards are giving by the league. I heard Drake was funny though...

I hear ya, in the end it's just about entertainment and a chance for the industry to pat itself on the back, like any other award show.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Well the point is the awards are already given on the field determined in competition and then individual awards are giving by the league. I heard Drake was funny though...

Espys are the best of the best awards though. Championships are determined and awarded on the field - yes. Which championship was most heartfelt or deserved of special recognition is determined by the espys. I have no problem with it. That being said I never watch them.

[Defensewins]

Good post tshile. I agree with you. The NFL is not littered with former Redskins that are playing at a high level for other teams.
The consistently good teams do let a certain % of FA players go if they are asking for big $. Salary Cap is the worst thing ever created.
Our bigger problem in the past has been weak FO, poor drafts/player evaluation (including FA's) and poor player development (coaching/mentoring). We are miles ahead of where we were with Vinny Ceratto/Dan Snyder GM duo. But we need to keep improving.

[SirLK26]

So which is better:

A: to slightly overpay a player whose play has suggested he can put up elite stats but hasn't yet been given an opportunity by the coaches to do so, or...

B: let said player walk, keeping in mind there are no viable options to replace him.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

So which is better:

A: to slightly overpay a player whose play has suggested he can put up elite stats but hasn't yet been given an opportunity by the coaches to do so, or...

B: let said player walk, keeping in mind there are no viable options to replace him.

i do not agree with your summation with A.

but, to speak to the spirit of your post...

if the options are overpay for a guy because you have no other option, or have a system that allows you to let players walk when they want more than your worth.... give me the later every day of the week.

the fact that the redskins have had a history of being in the former and (to me) seem to be trying to get away from that and become a team that has young talent they groom, does not mean we should abandon the current movement to go back to the old way of doing business because... well... this year we just really need to do it that old way because we have this really good list of justifications...

no. enough with the crappy business model. i get that it sells jerseys and puts butts in seats but have we honestly not had enough of that being the #1 driver of decisions?

it seems to me that the best interest of the organization is to move away from over paying a few guys and move to the other side of the spectrum. i fail to see how overpaying for orakpo does anything other than continue down a path we've been going down since 1999.

a path i thought everyone agreed was a dead end and what took a once proud franchise and made it an annual laughing stock.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by tshile

enough with the crappy business model. i get that it sells jerseys and puts butts in seats but have we honestly not had enough of that being the #1 driver of decisions?

If the new business model is not paying anyone, good luck attracting or holding on to talent.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

If the new business model is not paying anyone, good luck attracting or holding on to talent.

Agreed. There's something to be said for showing your own some love.

Originally Posted by punch it in

Landry was hurt all the time and Rogers if I remembered correctly wanted out at all costs. Pierce was a huge mistake imo.

Don't forget Ryan Clark, another mistake.

[punch it in]

I think it was Chico that mentioned that quite simply....rak has a year to prove he is elite. If he does than pay him. If he doesnt than let nature take its course.

[SirLK26]

I'm having a hard time thinking of any times in the past when we've overpayed our own free agents(I haven't been a fan as long as most of you, so perhaps my memory just doesn't go back far enough). Overpayed for other teams' free agents, yes. Let our own good players walk, yes.

But paying Orakpo, or any others we've drafted and developed, is very different from paying another teams' free agent, and I don't think it follows that "crappy business model" mentioned. It's not nearly as much of a gamble, for one thing.

[MTK]

Pierce got more up front $$ from the Giants, but it's not like the Skins didn't make an effort to keep him.

[Chico23231]

Think it's time to move on to the past. Rak is still on the team, let's let him put it on the field and after the season we can see where the chips fall. If he performs he we'll be paid.

[tshile]

All that being said, I hope Haslett lets Orakpo rush 95% of the snaps and he has a hell of a season and we pay him top dollar because he proves he's worth every penny.

If I was a betting man I'd take the other side.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by tshile

All that being said, I hope Haslett lets Orakpo rush 95% of the snaps and he has a hell of a season and we pay him top dollar because he proves he's worth every penny.

If I was a betting man I'd take the other side.

If I'm on offense and I know a player like Orakpo is rushing the QB 95% of the time and not playing the run ,I will game plan for it .

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Giantone

If I'm on offense and I know a player like Orakpo is rushing the QB 95% of the time and not playing the run ,I will game plan for it .

Im pretty sure he means let Rak rush on 95% of the pass plays. As it was last year, he only rushed on about 60-65% of them and dropped into pass coverage the rest. No one has said players shouldnt play the run.