Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Tell that to Joe Montana and Steve Young who were developed by Bill Walsh and are both in the Hall of Fame.

I'm really more worried about finding a coach that can win a title by working in cohesion with the front office to build a team worthy.

The good coaches in this league adapt to the players they have, they get rid of players playing for selfish reasons (i.e. money or fame) and they bring in guys devoted to team goals. Teams that win titles do so when players start putting team success ahead of personal success.

The right coach will be able to bring in the right staff that will develop Haskins en route to developing an entire team that can compete for a title.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Tell that to Joe Montana and Steve Young who were developed by Bill Walsh and are both in the Hall of Fame.

I think Steve Young would tell you that a huge part of his success was because of Mike Holmgren. Young did not become a full time starter until after Walsh had left.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

We don't need an offensive minded head coach to develop Haskins. It really doesn't matter if the HC has an offensive or defensive background. In either case, Haskins development would primarily fall to the offensive coordinator, QB coach, and a good dose of Alex Smith.

Exactly



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[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

We don't need an offensive minded head coach to develop Haskins. It really doesn't matter if the HC has an offensive or defensive background. In either case, Haskins development would primarily fall to the offensive coordinator, QB coach, and a good dose of Alex Smith.

Yeah but if you look around the league now a days, the young good QBs all have offensive minded HCs.

Mahomes
Watson
Murray
Goff
Dak

List goes on.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yeah but if you look around the league now a days, the young good QBs all have offensive minded HCs.

Mahomes
Watson
Murray
Goff
Dak

List goes on.

First, why is Jared Goff on this list? He's been awful this year.

Second, the two best young QBs in this league, along with the greatest QB of all time, have defensively minded head coaches.

Russell Wilson
Lamar Jackson
Tom Brady

What is the point? That it does not matter if the head coach is offensive or defensively minded. The head coach is overseeing the entire team: coaching staff and players. He is not spending time developing a QB. He has a coaching staff to do that.

What is important about a head coach is not whether his background is offense or defense. Its that he's smart, a good leader, and assembles a staff that can develop players at all positions on the roster - including QB.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Agree, need an offensive minded coach to help develop Haskins. McLaurin looked like a solid #1 WR right out of the box, and Guice had a break out game that makes the future look bright for him. Defense is improving in spite of Manusky.

Just need the QB position to come along and we could be on our way to getting the first double digit win season in a long time.

I don't know about Rivera but I want a defensive or special teams minded HC with a damn good OC to work with our young offensive group. Too often a HC who knows one side of the ball ends up neglecting that side as the full reality of head coaching responsibilitiws kick in.

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[skinsfaninok]

Rivera's teams never had much offense outside of that miracle Cam MVP season. We need an offensive mind to get Haskins rolling

[MTK]

The best QB of all time is coached by a defensive coach.


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[Defensewins]

Regarding offense or defensive coach...defense vs. offense, is doesn't matter, football is football. You have to be good at both to be a good head coach.
Leadership, teaching, mentoring player evaluation and organizational skills are just as important.
I think it was Jimmy Johnson or Tony Kornheiser or Micheal Wilbon that said yesterday the that the state of coaching in the NFL is the worst we have seen is 50 years. I agree. There are more really bad teams right now that I have ever seen in my life time. More badly coached teams and players that are uber talented that do not have fundamentals.
The NFL has so many bad teams that we still have a mathematical chance to win the NFC LEast. There are only a few really good teams. It fucking sucks.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Regarding offense or defensive coach...defense vs. offense, is doesn't matter, football is football. You have to be good at both to be a good head coach.
Leadership, teaching, mentoring player evaluation and organizational skills are just as important.
I think it was Jimmy Johnson or Tony Kornheiser or Micheal Wilbon that said yesterday the that the state of coaching in the NFL is the worst we have seen is 50 years. I agree. There are more really bad teams right now that I have ever seen in my life time. More badly coached teams and players that are uber talented that do not have fundamentals.
The NFL has so many bad teams that we still have a mathematical chance to win the NFC LEast. There are only a few really good teams. It fucking sucks.

Also HC are given 2-3 years max if not performing. Also, Coordinators less time. You keep switching schemes on both sides, it hurts the quality of ball.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Also HC are given 2-3 years max if not performing. Also, Coordinators less time. You keep switching schemes on both sides, it hurts the quality of ball.

If we were to somehow land a proven elite coach, I'd be all for signing him to a longer than normal contact, for just that reason. Perhaps nothing as crazy as the 10 year deal Gruden got, but more than the usual 4 years than is usually given to the lower-tier guys.

If we can get the right coach and GM, i'd love to do what SF did when they gave Shanahan and Lynch 6 year contracts right off the bat. Giving them that commitment right off the bat so they both know they have some time and aren't under the pressure to sacrifice the long-term to win now.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

If we were to somehow land a proven elite coach, I'd be all for signing him to a longer than normal contact, for just that reason. Perhaps nothing as crazy as the 10 year deal Gruden got, but more than the usual 4 years than is usually given to the lower-tier guys.

If we can get the right coach and GM, i'd love to do what SF did when they gave Shanahan and Lynch 6 year contracts right off the bat. Giving them that commitment right off the bat so they both know they have some time and aren't under the pressure to sacrifice the long-term to win now.

A proven elite coach would not come to be under the wrath of Dan Snyder unless he was given a sweet deal he could not get anywhere else. Unless of course he was an ex-player who was starting to have mental issues from CTE and wasn't thinking clearly.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Leadership, teaching, mentoring player evaluation and organizational skills are just as important.
I think it was Jimmy Johnson or Tony Kornheiser or Micheal Wilbon that said yesterday the that the state of coaching in the NFL is the worst we have seen is 50 years.

I think a big part of that is the state the players are in when they arrive in the NFL today. A Dwayne Haskins with extremely poor fundamentals was an extreme rarity decades ago, now they are common place. I think it is an effect of the lack of discipline and the levels of contact in practice from days gone by. Combine that with the win at all cost attitude of some of the major college programs and you have the end result of what you see today.

I think the trend away from negative reinforcement toward "atta boys" and participation trophies has had a negative effect. Back when I played in High School and College 40 years ago your typical coach at those levels was the Vince Lombardi hard ass type. Dumb mistakes were meet with a reward of running laps, wind sprints or being called out and embarrassed in front of your teammates.

These days I read where High School coaches have been fired for cussing at players. I see players walk off the field while committing stupid personal foul penalties without being confronted by a coach or fellow players. I could only image what would happen to a player if they did the "dog peeing" act celebrating a touchdown if Woody Hayes was coaching them.

[OmahaRedskins]

Here is a thought and I haven't seen it asked before. If we can Bruce and bring in a new GM. The GM will most likely bring in his people, including a head coach and medical staff.

Would Trent come back? He has said many times, his issue is not with Dan but with Bruce.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

Here is a thought and I haven't seen it asked before. If we can Bruce and bring in a new GM. The GM will most likely bring in his people, including a head coach and medical staff.

Would Trent come back? He has said many times, his issue is not with Dan but with Bruce.

Why would you want him back, after what he pulled? We probably will never know the whole story, but it was pretty obvious Trent had plenty of responsibility toward the break down of the relationship with the team. Common sense should have dictated he should have immediately sought medical treatment outside of the team doctors.