Taylor Effing Heinicke

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Ryan Fitzpatrick was supposed to be the guy to run Turner's offense, which is a version of the "Air Coryell" offense. That lasted less than a half.

Turner hasn't been able to run his offense since he's been here. He hasn't had the personnel to do it. It has been all about trying to adapt his offense to the limitations of the players and personnel. It's probably been tough for him - with five different QBs in 23 games so far, and injuries across the WR/TE/RB positions.

Yeah but he is an OC in the NFL getting paid millions. Instead of adapting his offense to the personnel, adapt the personnel to a different variety of your offense. He knew Taylor was the backup and new Taylor would probably be involved at some point. Maybe not week one, but….
Like Sunnyside said stop with the square peg into the round hole. Adapt. That’s his job. He is not adapting to this point…

[MTK]

Sounding more and more like RF might be done for the year. In that case I'm ready for some Kyle Allen soon.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Sounding more and more like RF might be done for the year. In that case I'm ready for some Kyle Allen soon.

Same here. At least Allen knows he doesn't have a strong arm. I just hope he doesn't get hurt again.

[Redskins247]

Originally Posted by MTK

Sounding more and more like RF might be done for the year. In that case I'm ready for some Kyle Allen soon.

Why...what's the point? Even if Kyle is a little better than TH...it ain't making any difference in the outcome of these games. THIS team is just not a good team, and the coaches have not found any way to make them better. And I think if the coaches thought Kyle was better, he'd already be playing.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Redskins247

Why...what's the point? Even if Kyle is a little better than TH...it ain't making any difference in the outcome of these games. THIS team is just not a good team, and the coaches have not found any way to make them better. And I think if the coaches thought Kyle was better, he'd already be playing.

Im not sure Kyle Allen will win us any games above what Heinike has done and will do in the future ... but it may be helpful for evaluation purposes. Im not saying Heinke is as bad as it was towards the end w RG3 but Heinike is not running plays as designed.

I understand that on the field shit happens and happens quickly and its not as easy as drawing up plays in the friendly confines of a film room ... but id like to see Turner's offense run on time how it is designed.

is Humphries good at getting separation in the LOS for crucial 5-7 yard pass plays to move the sticks? I dont know bc the ball doesnt come out right away if he does win at the line.

Are some of these long routes open bc a receiver runs an underneath route pulling the safety up? IDK bc the ball isnt coming out.

Backyard offense.

All we do know is Heinike is good at scrambling and Terry is good at winning 50/50 balls.

I want to be ale to judge Turner. I want to know if receivers are winning their routes. We have to go back and rely on people w the All 22 to see bc the tv feed stays on the QB who just holds, scrambles then throws on a now broken play.

TV feed .. we have no idea if guys are open or not.

I want to know if its play design. I will know if the Qb throws the ball on time as designed.

[Redskins247]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Im not sure Kyle Allen will win us any games above what Heinike has done and will do in the future ... but it may be helpful for evaluation purposes. Im not saying Heinke is as bad as it was towards the end w RG3 but Heinike is not running plays as designed.

I understand that on the field shit happens and happens quickly and its not as easy as drawing up plays in the friendly confines of a film room ... but id like to see Turner's offense run on time how it is designed.

is Humphries good at getting separation in the LOS for crucial 5-7 yard pass plays to move the sticks? I dont know bc the ball doesnt come out right away if he does win at the line.

Are some of these long routes open bc a receiver runs an underneath route pulling the safety up? IDK bc the ball isnt coming out.

Backyard offense.

All we do know is Heinike is good at scrambling and Terry is good at winning 50/50 balls.

I want to be ale to judge Turner. I want to know if receivers are winning their routes. We have to go back and rely on people w the All 22 to see bc the tv feed stays on the QB who just holds, scrambles then throws on a now broken play.

TV feed .. we have no idea if guys are open or not.

I want to know if its play design. I will know if the Qb throws the ball on time as designed.

Well those are certainly valid points, and if/when they lose to Denver and wanted to start Kyle after for those reasons then that's probably the smart thing to do. And maybe they learn something about the offense, but I don't see it making a difference in wins but it will show they are trying everything if nothing else. What we've learned is that TH is a good backup to keep around.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Redskins247

Well those are certainly valid points, and if/when they lose to Denver and wanted to start Kyle after for those reasons then that's probably the smart thing to do. And maybe they learn something about the offense, but I don't see it making a difference in wins but it will show they are trying everything if nothing else. What we've learned is that TH is a good backup to keep around.

I think they'll beat Denver. I have tickets to the game, but was talking to the wife this morning about selling them.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Redskins247

Why...what's the point? Even if Kyle is a little better than TH...it ain't making any difference in the outcome of these games. THIS team is just not a good team, and the coaches have not found any way to make them better. And I think if the coaches thought Kyle was better, he'd already be playing.

Last year Rivera said this when asked about Allen...

Question: Could you have been in this position this year right now where you are before the playoffs without Alex?

"Well, if we had a healthy Kyle Allen, I think we could've. I really do," Rivera said. "I think we could've. And a big part of the reason is because Kyle, he's very similar to Alex in terms of his abilities. He's got the same kind of arm. He makes good decisions like Alex does. He's got good footwork. I think we could've been. I do."

So if there's any chance of turning this season around, make the switch before it's too late. Haven't we seen just about enough of TH at this point to know he's just not starting material? If Rivera truly believes in Allen and he's healthy, why wouldn't you make the switch? They gave this Heinicke thing a chance, it's not working.

I really think if TH doesn't get it done against Denver we could see Allen after the bye.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Redskins247

Why...what's the point? Even if Kyle is a little better than TH...it ain't making any difference in the outcome of these games. THIS team is just not a good team, and the coaches have not found any way to make them better. And I think if the coaches thought Kyle was better, he'd already be playing.

There might be one player on this team, who when he talks, I tend to pretty much believe whatever he is saying. That is Jonathan Allen. After the game on Sunday he expressed his frustration, saying that this team is "such a better football team than what our record says". He later said "Losing teams find ways to lose games, and winning teams find ways to win games. And right now, we’re finding ways to lose."

It sound like he's saying that - while they are finding ways to lose, this team is not as bad as their record says they are.

They have obviously coached and played their way to the record they currently have, there's no disputing that. However, if Jonathan Allen thinks they have what it takes to be a better team, then with 10 games left I can't write them off yet.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Free Agent class has worked out well this year. Man, this team is ran like ass but also just has terrible fucking luck.

If we win more than 5 games I'll be shocked.

[BaltimoreSkins]

I am more of the the line that offense and play calling is stunted due to the personnel rather than the OC. While I haven't been wowed by Turner I have been less than impressed with TH's execution of what he is being given.

[skinsfaninok]

TH is what he is, an undrafted Small QB that has a very average NFL Arm. He's also not accurate , sucks but he isn't the answer either

[Meks]

turner stinks to me. TH has been underwhelming as well but turner i mean theres some really questionable calls here and mind numbing over use of the shotgun at times. i think we went one game where we ran 3 entire plays from under center.... 3.

[Chief X_Phackter]

I've been critical of S Turner since last year, but I am changing my tune. I am less inclined to put the offensive woes on him anymore. I'll reserve judgment for when we actually have a QB, and a full complement of receivers, TEs, and RBs who fit the offense he wants to run. He hasn't had that so far. He's had at best a #2 QB his entire time here, he hasn't had a true #2 receiver, he's had a banged up #1 RB, and a converted QB for a #1 TE who is now injured.

It's amazing the offense has even looked serviceable at times.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Meks

turner stinks to me. TH has been underwhelming as well but turner i mean theres some really questionable calls here and mind numbing over use of the shotgun at times. i think we went one game where we ran 3 entire plays from under center.... 3.

Meks you know why, youre a learned fan .. shotgun is good for mobile Qbs and running a spread offense. Also easier for young Qbs as they can see the field immediately and dont have to worry as much about foot work and dropping back.

As long as we can still run out of shotgun so we dont telegraph pass every time we do shotgun .. im sure it is helping Heinike.

But yeah .. Im guessing were 80% plus of snaps in shotgun putting us in the top 5 w teams like Balt and Arizona