Trump 2.0 Administration Golden Years

[BaltimoreSkins]

Yeah if only the Republicans could some how have more control of the federal government right? Funny how Mike Johnson refused to bring republicans back to DC to negotiate or even considered a bill to fund salaries separately then advance a total budget. But sure it’s the dems

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Yeah if only the Republicans could some how have more control of the federal government right? Funny how Mike Johnson refused to bring republicans back to DC to negotiate or even considered a bill to fund salaries separately then advance a total budget. But sure it’s the dems

Mike Johnson passed the house bill.

The democrats have a clean spending resolution which they are filibustering effectively shutting down the government.

It’s really that simple

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Mike Johnson passed the house bill.

The democrats have a clean spending resolution which they are filibustering effectively shutting down the government.

It’s really that simple

It's not that simple. The Republicans control the Senate and the rules of the Seanate. They changed to rules several times for Trump's appointments and for SCOTUS judges. They could change the rules for this too, but they want to use this as an excuse to blame Dems even though they control ALL the power.

Check out the tweet that Raskin highlighted from Jim Jordan in 2021 and the Dems controlled the House/Senate/WH.

https://x.com/RepRaskin/status/1984020607361847388


What was that you said? Cope harder.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's not that simple. The Republicans control the Senate and the rules of the Seanate. They changed to rules several times for Trump's appointments and for SCOTUS judges. They could change the rules for this too, but they want to use this as an excuse to blame Dems even though they control ALL the power.

Check out the tweet that Raskin highlighted from Jim Jordan in 2021 and the Dems controlled the House/Senate/WH.

https://x.com/RepRaskin/status/1984020607361847388


What was that you said? Cope harder.

The filibuster is in place as it’s been for years, that’s how the Democrats have shut down the government. The Filibuster is a check against the majority, that is a good thing.

It’s really that simple.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The filibuster is in place as it’s been for years, that’s how the Democrats have shut down the government. The Filibuster is a check against the majority, that is a good thing.

It’s really that simple.

Bud, the 60 vote threshold for cloture came about in 1975. This isn't some grand historic rule that the forefathers instituted. The filibuster has changed (along with SCOTUS numbers) throughout the years.

It's NOT a good thing. It allows the Dems and the Republicans to use this shit to blame the other side why shit can't get done. "We would pass all this nice legislation but these meanies (insert D/R) won't assist us!"

Bottom line. Those that control the power should pass the legislation THEY want, not what the minority party wants. Now if the other party controls the other branch (House/WH) then obviously compromises have to happen.

One more thing, this 60 vote nonsense also excuses the voters for their shitty choices in elections. They should feel the consequences of their votes. I'm in favor of getting rid of the filibuster whether the Dems or the Republicans control it.

[BaltimoreSkins]

A clean bill? Hardly. Proposing a bill that you know is DOA in the Senate is not doing your job. He could've easily have sent a bill that would've been approved in the Senate but chose not to. That is on him

[sdskinsfan2001]

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

I mean we have learned since third grade in civics class that the two parties have to compromise to pass a bill right? I am sure that a bill can be negotiated that would get the handful of senators needed to pass a bill. The easiest thing would be for Johnson to cut the spending in everything already in the bill and agree to ACA subsidies. A real simple, cheap and ernest compromise. Both parties unhappy but getting something they want.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I mean we have learned since third grade in civics class that the two parties have to compromise to pass a bill right? I am sure that a bill can be negotiated that would get the handful of senators needed to pass a bill. The easiest thing would be for Johnson to cut the spending in everything already in the bill and agree to ACA subsidies. A real simple, cheap and ernest compromise. Both parties unhappy but getting something they want.

Not only that, but apparently some people voted Trump because he is supposedly the best businessman in the world who is adept at negotiating. This government shutdown has pretty much cancel out that claim.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Not only that, but apparently some people voted Trump because he is supposedly the best businessman in the world who is adept at negotiating. This government shutdown has pretty much cancel out that claim.

Well you can't negotiate when you flee the country

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I mean we have learned since third grade in civics class that the two parties have to compromise to pass a bill right? I am sure that a bill can be negotiated that would get the handful of senators needed to pass a bill. The easiest thing would be for Johnson to cut the spending in everything already in the bill and agree to ACA subsidies. A real simple, cheap and ernest compromise. Both parties unhappy but getting something they want.

They dont' even need to compromise. All the Senate has to do is to nuke the filibuster and pass the legislation THEY want. That's how it should be. They nuked the filibuster for SCOTUS judges and for allowing mass appointments from Trump. They can change it for this.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

They dont' even need to compromise. All the Senate has to do is to nuke the filibuster and pass the legislation THEY want. That's how it should be. They nuked the filibuster for SCOTUS judges and for allowing mass appointments from Trump. They can change it for this.

Come on now it was the Dems that nuked the filibuster on judges and appointees, McConnel warned them that they were making a massive mistake that would bite them sooner that they thought. And it did bite them less them less than 14 months later when the GOP added the SC nominees to the filibuster exclusion. Fortunately, the filibuster on legislation was saved by Sinema who learned the lesson the rest of her follow party members failed to learn, and preserved the filibuster for legislative actions. The Dems reward for her was to be vilified and discarded by the Dems. As bad as MAGA has been can you imagine if the filibuster was not in place what MAGA would do???

My question is have the rest of the Dems learned not to screw around with the filibuster or are they still going to kill it when they are back in power?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Good, take chico with you.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Good, take chico with you.

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