It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago

[freddyg12]

GT, I think you're assuming an awful lot w/regards to Campbell & the 2nd round pick that they asked for. Just because no deal was made doesn't mean there wasn't a deal in place. They weren't going to trade JC unless they got Cutler first.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

GT, I think you're assuming an awful lot w/regards to Campbell & the 2nd round pick that they asked for. Just because no deal was made doesn't mean there wasn't a deal in place. They weren't going to trade JC unless they got Cutler first.

Yep, you are correct. I'm just saying that there's significant reason to believe that no one was interested in Campbell at that price.

Teams who try to build through the free agency and trade systems can't afford to buy high and sell low. We tried our darnedest to commit both errors yesterday.

If you are looking to trades to improve your team, you need to do what the Pats did to get Moss: find a player who fits, but is improperly valued by his current organization. Theoretically, this can be done with Jason Campbell, but not at the price of a second round pick.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

GT, I think you're assuming an awful lot w/regards to Campbell & the 2nd round pick that they asked for. Just because no deal was made doesn't mean there wasn't a deal in place. They weren't going to trade JC unless they got Cutler first.

Then that would blow the "Nobody was interested in JC for a second round pick" argument that is being made. The point I've been trying to make is we just don't know if anyone was, or is, interested in getting JC. Therefore to say he isn't any good because no one else wanted him is ridiculous.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Then that would blow the "Nobody was interested in JC for a second round pick" argument that is being made. The point I've been trying to make is we just don't know if anyone was, or is, interested in getting JC. Therefore to say he isn't any good because no one else wanted him is ridiculous.

Nobody was interested in Campbell for a second round pick because they knew if we traded for Cutler, JC would come alot cheaper. I bet if we put Campbell on the trade market now that we could get a 2nd rounder for him easily. Are you telling me that Cutler is worth 2 firsts and a third and Campbelll isn't even worth a 2nd?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

gtripp I can't reply to everything you said on my phone but I want to acknowledge that you make a good, if somewhat counterintuitive argument. your explaination is very possible but its also possible that campbell is just mediocre and everyone who is not biased towards the skins is able to see it.

with all that historical data you provided, one thing becomes very clear - its very hard to find a great starting quarterback in this league. im just discouraged because well have to start from scratch again next year. the worst possible scenario happened yesterday.

if campbell surprises me and plays well, theres no way in hell he resigns here when his contract is up. if he plays poorly, well need a new QB anyways. either way, the longer we stick with campbell, the longer it will take for us to find a long term solution at QB.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

gtripp I can't reply to everything you said on my phone but I want to acknowledge that you make a good, if somewhat counterintuitive argument. your explaination is very possible but its also possible that campbell is just mediocre and everyone who is not biased towards the skins is able to see it.

I agree, but then it goes back to other threads in which I've shown that Campbell and Cutler are very similar statistically, which is a horse we've beaten to a bloody pulp.

Current NFL perception does seem to agree with you, BHA, as does the perception of our front office. But if there's anything I've learned in my lifetime, it's that whenever conventional logic sharply disagrees with strong evidence, it's probably wrong.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

gtripp I can't reply to everything you said on my phone but I want to acknowledge that you make a good, if somewhat counterintuitive argument. your explaination is very possible but its also possible that campbell is just mediocre and everyone who is not biased towards the skins is able to see it.

with all that historical data you provided, one thing becomes very clear - its very hard to find a great starting quarterback in this league. im just discouraged because well have to start from scratch again next year. the worst possible scenario happened yesterday.

if campbell surprises me and plays well, theres no way in hell he resigns here when his contract is up. if he plays poorly, well need a new QB anyways. either way, the longer we stick with campbell, the longer it will take for us to find a long term solution at QB.

BHA are you Matt Mosely???
Seriously, we didn't over-value a fair to good qb in Cutler, our coach immediately re-assured our qb, and the FO backed away from someone the owner severely wanted. This was far from the worst scenario.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

BHA are you Matt Mosely???
Seriously, we didn't over-value a fair to good qb in Cutler, our coach immediately re-assured our qb, and the FO backed away from someone the owner severely wanted. This was far from the worst scenario.

from my perspective that's a very niave point of view.

how do we know zorn really believes in jc? he could have just as easily been sent by snyder to do pre-emptive damage control in the event the cutler deal fell through.

even if zorn was genuine, do you really think zorn will be here for a third season? when has snyder ever shown that kind of patience for a coach not named joe gibbs? trent dilfer was on the radio today and insinuated that zorn knows he's on thin ice. what has zorn ever done to make you think he can do anything this season to convince a guy like snyder not to go after one of the four superbowl head coaches who will be available next year?

if you're campbell and you have a good year, why on earth would you come back here? this team has treated him like crap and he has experienced constant change here. he most certainly would want to go somewhere with some stability.

chances are, unless he gets franchised, campbell is playing his last year for the washington redskins.

[RedskinMike]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

from my perspective that's a very niave point of view.

how do we know zorn really believes in jc? he could have just as easily been sent by snyder to do pre-emptive damage control in the event the cutler deal fell through.

even if zorn was genuine, do you really think zorn will be here for a third season? when has snyder ever shown that kind of patience for a coach not named joe gibbs? trent dilfer was on the radio today and insinuated that zorn knows he's on thin ice. what has zorn ever done to make you think he can do anything this season to convince a guy like snyder not to go after one of the four superbowl head coaches who will be available next year?

if you're campbell and you have a good year, why on earth would you come back here? this team has treated him like crap and he has experienced constant change here. he most certainly would want to go somewhere with some stability.

chances are, unless he gets franchised, campbell is playing his last year for the washington redskins.

If he has a good year he would be franchised, which would give them another year to get something done.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by RedskinMike

If he has a good year he would be franchised, which would give them another year to get something done.

Also he's a restricted Free Agent so he's not going anywhere regardless.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

from my perspective that's a very niave point of view.

how do we know zorn really believes in jc? he could have just as easily been sent by snyder to do pre-emptive damage control in the event the cutler deal fell through.

even if zorn was genuine, do you really think zorn will be here for a third season? when has snyder ever shown that kind of patience for a coach not named joe gibbs? trent dilfer was on the radio today and insinuated that zorn knows he's on thin ice.

if you're campbell and you have a good year, why on earth would you come back here? this team has treated him like crap and he has experienced constant change here. he most certainly would want to go somewhere with some stability.

chances are, unless he gets franchised, campbell is playing his last year for the washington redskins.

Whoa man you said yesterday was the worst possible outcome, and I pointed out several positives that could have been handled much worse.

Yes all your predictions could come true, but again several may not. A simple fact is that yesterday was not THE WORST outcome possible.

[GTripp0012]

I don't really agree with their conclusion, but I do think people should see this Cutler thing from the other side, courtesy of CHFF.

Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: A team in need of a statistical stimulus plan

[MTK]

I'm sure Fassell would turn down a chance to get back into the NFL. LOL please

[redsk1]

Most of the current, well thought of coaches would not come around here IMO. The Fassels, Mariuccis, Zorns of the world, sure. Not that Fassel isn't a decent coach but let's face it, I don't see anyone beating down his door.

[irish]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Most of the current, well thought of coaches would not come around here IMO. The Fassels, Mariuccis, Zorns of the world, sure. Not that Fassel isn't a decent coach but let's face it, I don't see anyone beating down his door.

I dont think the Skins HC job is the plum Skins fans think it is.

I guess I can help but wonder why if Zorn was the choice for HC why was he hired as Offense Coordinator?