BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged

[47FAN]

you think its possible to keep zorn as qb coach if not head coach?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 47FAN

you think its possible to keep zorn as qb coach if not head coach?

Very doubtful. He'll be a coordinator for another team or something. Shoot if Linehan got a job after going 0-16 with the Lions, then anyone can get a job in the league.

[vallin21]

I agree Synder made the right move but is it the right guy for GM? He was fired by the Bucs who're worse than us. The guy had a chance to draft a decent player at 15 in '04 but took Michael Clayton. He did get that CB from Kansas, but none of his top picks went to the pro bowl or have made an impact, i.e (Gaines Adams). I' m glad we got rid of Vinny, but did we jump the gun to quick to get Allen?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by vallin21

I agree Synder made the right move but is it the right guy for GM? He was fired by the Bucs who're worse than us. The guy had a chance to draft a decent player at 15 in '04 but took Michael Clayton. He did get that CB from Kansas, but none of his top picks went to the pro bowl or have made an impact, i.e (Gaines Adams). I' m glad we got rid of Vinny, but did we jump the gun to quick to get Allen?

Yeah I agree but we've got to give the guy a chance. We don't know what went on behind closed doors or how much say he had in those picks. He also put together some good teams in Oakland so let's wait and see.

[diehardskin2982]

Originally Posted by vallin21

I agree Synder made the right move but is it the right guy for GM? He was fired by the Bucs who're worse than us. The guy had a chance to draft a decent player at 15 in '04 but took Michael Clayton. He did get that CB from Kansas, but none of his top picks went to the pro bowl or have made an impact, i.e (Gaines Adams). I' m glad we got rid of Vinny, but did we jump the gun to quick to get Allen?

Nnamdi Asomugha was a Bruce Allen pick for the Raiders.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Nnamdi Asomugha was a Bruce Allen pick for the Raiders.

Imagine a draft that includes several quality OL, and a quality corner/safety. It's easy if you try.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by vallin21

I agree Synder made the right move but is it the right guy for GM? He was fired by the Bucs who're worse than us. The guy had a chance to draft a decent player at 15 in '04 but took Michael Clayton. He did get that CB from Kansas, but none of his top picks went to the pro bowl or have made an impact, i.e (Gaines Adams). I' m glad we got rid of Vinny, but did we jump the gun to quick to get Allen?

One thing to mention about that -- the Glazer family had previously extended the contract of both Gruden and Bruce Allen before ultimately changing their mind after the '08 season. The Bucs did start out 9-3 before a late season slide.

It might have been a bit of a snap decision on the Glazer's part, and one that cost them quite a bit of money.

Allen's draft record with Tampa Bay did have some mixed results, but look at the drafts of Oakland too. Nnamdi Asomugha, Justin Fargas, and Sebastian Janikowski are notable picks by him.

I don't think there was a general manager candidate out there without some misses on their draft record. The guy with a perfect track record doesn't exist. Aside from Bill Polian, who as far as I know is not available, Allen had to be one of the top options who was currently unemployed.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

One thing to mention about that -- the Glazer family had previously extended the contract of both Gruden and Bruce Allen before ultimately changing their mind after the '08 season. The Bucs did start out 9-3 before a late season slide.

It might have been a bit of a snap decision on the Glazer's part, and one that cost them quite a bit of money.

Allen's draft record with Tampa Bay did have some mixed results, but look at the drafts of Oakland too. Nnamdi Asomugha, Justin Fargas, and Sebastian Janikowski are notable picks by him.

I don't think there was a general manager candidate out there without some misses on their draft record. The guy with a perfect track record doesn't exist. Aside from Bill Polian, who as far as I know is not available, Allen had to be one of the top options who was currently unemployed.

Yeah every GM has misses, but was Allen the best available guy? I don't think he was. When the news broke I thought Casserly was gonna be back in but he's getting old and he seems to like appearing on CSN. This move should've been made last year and we might've gotten Pioli from NE, but I think anything is better than Vinny so I'm cautiously optimistic.

[hooskins]

I think its possible to keep Zorn.

Just for the record I am not a huge Gruden guy either. I think he is ok. I prefer Holmgren, so we can keep JC, Zorn and the WCO. I highly doubt this will happen, especially after Mike's comments about Zorn's play calling situation.

[SmootSmack]

I think I mentioned it earlier, but don't discount the possibility of a "lesser known" name. Brian Schottenheimer, Kyle Shanahan to name a couple

[47FAN]

anyone know when the press confrence is?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 47fan

anyone know when the press confrence is?

2:30

[SmootSmack]

Whatever Allens' track record was or how much say he had over the draft. The Bucs did select a lot of offensive linemen in the first 3 rounds during his time there. And isn't that something we've been clamoring for?

[skinster]

I hope this is a joke. Vinny might have been a bad gm, but he def has a better drafting record than allan. He COMPLETELY blew both his top 5 picks in cadallac williams and gaines adams. He missed on michael clayton and didnt exactly hit a homerun with either davin joseph or aquib talib. Out of his 5 years as gm, he only drafted 5 starters. That is pathetic. From the years of 2004-2008 vinny drafted more starters and more people who are still on the team. And vinny sucks. Because of Allan's shitty drafting over the years the bucs are THE WORST team in the league as of right now. This seems to be a dumbass publicity stunt to please the fans with a connection to redskins roots. We just traded a bucket of spit for a bucket of poop.

edit: I take back the publicity stunt comment, i bet nobody wanted to work with snyder and this was the last option.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinster

I hope this is a joke. Vinny might have been a bad gm, but he def has a better drafting record than allan. He COMPLETELY blew both his top 5 picks in cadallac williams and gaines adams. He missed on michael clayton and didnt exactly hit a homerun with either davin joseph or aquib talib. Out of his 5 years as gm, he only drafted 5 starters. That is pathetic. From the years of 2004-2008 vinny drafted more starters and more people who are still on the team. And vinny sucks. Because of Allan's shitty drafting over the years the bucs are THE WORST team in the league as of right now. This seems to be a dumbass publicity stunt to please the fans with a connection to redskins roots. We just traded a bucket of spit for a bucket of poop.

I go back to the SJ article. This move is as much about rebuilding a FO with integrity. Yes there are other pieces that need to come into play, like Smoot suggested, but VC had to go mainly to get rid of the backbiting, selfish, culture that had popped up in Ashburn.