Arizona's New Immigration Law

[MTK]

I really don't see where he owes her anything to be honest.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I really don't see where he owes her anything to be honest.

If I had a family memeber who came to this country and was dirt poor trying to get by I'd FEEL THE NEED AND THE WANT to help them.

[Rainy Parade]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If I had a family memeber who came to this country and was dirt poor trying to get by I'd FEEL THE NEED AND THE WANT to help them.

you spelled "deport" wrong.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Rainy Parade

you spelled "deport" wrong.

Funny. Unlike Obama I could file to sponsor the family member which is saying I will watch over them and provide financial assistance. This way the family member would not be drain on the system and could work toward citizeship. I believe in her case she cam here ligally but over stayed her visa which makes it a little easier. Its also how she got goverment assistance and why just handing out green cards is not a great idea.

[mlmpetert]

This guy is pretty sweet:

We Are Better Than That! [VIDEO]

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

This guy is pretty sweet:

We Are Better Than That! [VIDEO]

wanna move to bama? i hate the tide, but i was sold when he pulled out the shotgun

[firstdown]

Maybe thats why the goverment has not moved in a told BP to pound sand and tried to stop the oil leak. When Obama finds out he cannot fly to a funeral he decides to play golf instead of worrying about a hugh oil leak.

[htownskinfan]

From a California school teacher

"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels

Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens , Huntington Park , etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten.

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones.
The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America.

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students, here in the country less then 3 months, who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas"(whores) and throwing things, that the teachers were in tears.

Free medical, free education, free food, free day care etc., etc, etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

Americans, We need to wake up.

It does, however, have everything to do with culture: It involves an American third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about "political correctness" that we don't have the will to do anything about it.


CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.

Consumers don't want expensive produce.

Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

He qualifies for food stamps.

He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.

His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

He requires bilingual teachers and books.

He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

If they are, or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. If qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicaid. All of this is at (our) taxpayer's expense.

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6..00/hour left after paying their bills and his.

Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT!
THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS OF EITHER PARTY. 'AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY, WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM .

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

From a California school teacher

"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic and income levels

Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens , Huntington Park , etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten.

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones.
The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America.

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students, here in the country less then 3 months, who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas"(whores) and throwing things, that the teachers were in tears.

Free medical, free education, free food, free day care etc., etc, etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand rights, privileges and entitlements?

To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

Americans, We need to wake up.

It does, however, have everything to do with culture: It involves an American third-world culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about "political correctness" that we don't have the will to do anything about it.


CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.

Consumers don't want expensive produce.

Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth, a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

He qualifies for food stamps.

He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.

His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

He requires bilingual teachers and books.

He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

If they are, or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. If qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicaid. All of this is at (our) taxpayer's expense.

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6..00/hour left after paying their bills and his.

Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT!
THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE CONGRESSIONAL MEMBERS OF EITHER PARTY. 'AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY, WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM .

Sound like any other business corporation to me. Spend the budget or lose the budget.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Sound like any other business corporation to me. Spend the budget or lose the budget.

EXCEPT........guess what?? OUR tax dollars paid for it

[CRedskinsRule]

and in most businesses, if the budget doesn't balance they have to cut back, or find a way to balance it.

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

and in most businesses, if the budget doesn't balance they have to cut back, or find a way to balance it.

What business is that? wall street, the banks, Halliburton? Which business? Cut back on the workers an pocket the balance in the form of bonuses. This free market thing you talk about. If you saw you wouldn't recognize it.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

What business is that? wall street, the banks, Halliburton? Which business? Cut back on the workers an pocket the balance in the form of bonuses. This free market thing you talk about. If you saw you wouldn't recognize it.

How about the thousands of small businesses in the United States, including the one I work at, that operates in a fiscally sound (you do know what that means right?) manner, employs 30 people (including naturalized citizens from many parts of the world) and form a backbone of our culture/economy?

[joethiesmanfan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

How about the thousands of small businesses in the United States, including the one I work at, that operates in a fiscally sound (you do know what that means right?) manner, employs 30 people (including naturalized citizens from many parts of the world) and form a backbone of our culture/economy?

got news for you. You trying to sell me on running a country of 300 million people by the same rules as a business with 30 employees? who's gonna give us our small business tax credits and cuts? Who is gonna provide our 300 million people with healthcare? ar you serious? Do you think you think this is a sane analogy? How long have you been smoking outta Ron Paul's meat pipe? Have any computer simulated models?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

got news for you. You trying to sell me on running a country of 300 million people by the same rules as a business with 30 employees? who's gonna give us our small business tax credits and cuts? Who is gonna provide our 300 million people with healthcare? ar you serious? Do you think you think this is a sane analogy? How long have you been smoking outta Ron Paul's meat pipe? Have any computer simulated models?

Let me, firstdown, and any other small business owners on the site know where you find all those "small business tax credits and cuts". We'd all be happy to hear about them.

The only credit that I'm aware of recently is the one where if you hire a previously unemployed worker there's a $ 1000 / yr. credit or so. Most small business are running barebones employee wise in this economy. Unless things make a drastic turn high and to the right, there isn't going to be much hiring in the small business sector.

You also forgot to mention the 3 years increase in the minimum wage from 2007-2009 ($ 5.85 - $ 7.25 / hr.) over 19% in three years. I haven't seen a 19% pay increase during that time, and the revenue from my business hasn't seen a 19% increase either. So who is required to pay the increased wages.....oh right, the small business owner must take from his/her bottom line to cover it.

If Gov't would get out of the way with over-regulation and social engineering, the 300M would be able to obtain cost-effective insurance in the private sector, with the poor qualifying for gov't programs/assistance.

And probably the most important point.....the gov't isn't "giving" us anything with tax credits and cuts. Money (profit) is generated by the small business and is property of the small business owner/s, not the gov't. The tax credits/cuts are just the gov't dictating how much needs to be paid.

P.S. Fairtax eliminates taxes on small business altogether and lets businesses focus and make decisions based on profit, not tax ramifications.