What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins

[GTripp0012]

You can win the super bowl with a free agent pickup at QB, you just can't win it with a third or fourth rate FA signing at quarterback.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You can win the super bowl with a free agent pickup at QB, you just can't win it with a third or fourth rate FA signing at quarterback.

Trent Dilfer disagrees. :cheeky-sm

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

You cannot argue with data; you are absolutely correct.

Here is some more data you cannot argue with. Here are first round QB picks over the last decade or so who have been "less than satisfactory":

Tim Couch
Akili Smith
Duante Culpepper (injury ended his career early)
Cade McNown
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey (fondly remembered around here...)
Byron Leftwich (not horrible but not great either)
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman (you already have a first round pick in town; why worry about getting another one)
JP Losman
Jason Campbell (Skins ditched that first round pick...)
Vince Young
Matt Leinart
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn

The data say that you can find great QBs in the first round AND that you can find mediocre QBs in the first round AND that you can find QBs that just cannot play in the first round.

And there is no sure thing that luck won't be on this list or rg3

#HTTR

[skinsguy]

Just a couple of thoughts:

Joe Montana - 4 Super Bowl rings: 3rd round draft pick, 82nd overall pick.
Tom Brady - 3 Super Bowl rings (and can possibly add a fourth) 6th round pick, #199.
Roger Staubach - 2 Super Bowl rings - 10th round draft pick
Bart Starr - 2 Super Bowl Rings - 17th round draft pick
Brett Favre - 1 Super Bowl Ring - 2nd Round pick
Joe Theismann - 1 Super Bowl Ring - 4th Round Pick

Of the six I mentioned, four have multiple Super Bowl rings. All have had multiple Super Bowl appearances. Of the ten multiple super bowl winning quarterbacks, four of them are not 1st round picks. And out of the four quarterbacks with the most super bowl wins (3 or more), two are on this list, the other two are first rounders.

Just another tidbit, of the three quarterbacks to have played in multiple Super Bowls and lose them all, two of them are first round picks (Jim Kelly and Craig Morton.)

While no doubt quarterbacks who are first round picks for the most part are first round picks because they're pretty doggone good. But, I think there are many aspects to a quarterback being developed into that great Championship quarterback other than just them being highly recognized coming out of college.

I think a lot also depends upon how much work that quarterback puts into making himself better after he turns pro - no matter if he's a first or a 7th round pick. So, I completely believe that there are quarterbacks that aren't highly regarded coming out of college, but can obviously work hard and move themselves into an elite status. And, it also has a lot to do with who those coaches are that is present during that development stage. I think it could come down to simply having the right coaches there and the guy who's willing to put 110% into improving himself. SO, I don't know if I would say you're virtually guaranteed a great quarterback in the first round.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Just a couple of thoughts:

Joe Montana - 4 Super Bowl rings: 3rd round draft pick, 82nd overall pick.
Tom Brady - 3 Super Bowl rings (and can possibly add a fourth) 6th round pick, #199.
Roger Staubach - 2 Super Bowl rings - 10th round draft pick
Bart Starr - 2 Super Bowl Rings - 17th round draft pick
Brett Favre - 1 Super Bowl Ring - 2nd Round pick
Joe Theismann - 1 Super Bowl Ring - 4th Round Pick

Of the six I mentioned, four have multiple Super Bowl rings. All have had multiple Super Bowl appearances. Of the ten multiple super bowl winning quarterbacks, four of them are not 1st round picks. And out of the four quarterbacks with the most super bowl wins (3 or more), two are on this list, the other two are first rounders.

Just another tidbit, of the three quarterbacks to have played in multiple Super Bowls and lose them all, two of them are first round picks (Jim Kelly and Craig Morton.)

While no doubt quarterbacks who are first round picks for the most part are first round picks because they're pretty doggone good. But, I think there are many aspects to a quarterback being developed into that great Championship quarterback other than just them being highly recognized coming out of college.

I think a lot also depends upon how much work that quarterback puts into making himself better after he turns pro - no matter if he's a first or a 7th round pick. So, I completely believe that there are quarterbacks that aren't highly regarded coming out of college, but can obviously work hard and move themselves into an elite status. And, it also has a lot to do with who those coaches are that is present during that development stage. I think it could come down to simply having the right coaches there and the guy who's willing to put 110% into improving himself. SO, I don't know if I would say you're virtually guaranteed a great quarterback in the first round.

Good read, good post.

[12thMan]

Testy around here. It's offseason, I guess. We'll know soon enough.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Testy around here. It's offseason, I guess. We'll know soon enough.

Don't use that kind of potty language around here! This is a family forum!!!

[tc2deuce]

RGIII is a game changer plus he brings excitement back to DC.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by tc2deuce

RGIII is a game changer plus he brings excitement back to DC.

I believe he is to. If we could look back with hindsight and say that Matt Flynn is to the Redskins what Trent Green was to the Chiefs then I would say it was all worth it.

I still would strongly prefer RGIII though even with the cost of picks to move up to acquire him.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by tc2deuce

RGIII is a game changer plus he brings excitement back to DC.

He'd be the face of out once proud franchise.. we haven't had that in years

#HTTR

[diehard]

I hope Kiper is right.

[NYCskinfan82]

Question, how many teams traded up for there 1st round QB or did the QB fall to them at their pick.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Question, how many teams traded up for there 1st round QB or did the QB fall to them at their pick.

Most of the time, I think the QB fell to them. In 2004, Eli Manning was the first selected by the Chargers. Phillip Rivers fell to the Giants. Big Ben, who I think was drafted somewhere between 9th and 11th, fell to the Steelers. In 2006, Matt Leinart was selected 10th overall by Arizona. Vince Young was drafted 7 selections before Leinart by the Titans. In 2007 there were only two quarterbacks selected in the first round(JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn) selected by the Raiders and Browns respectively. Only 2 quarterbacks were selected in the first round of the 2008 draft(Matt Ryan 3rd overall) and (Joe Flacco 18th overall).

The following year in 2009, Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman were the only quarterbacks selected in round 1 of the draft. Each of them fell to the team that selected them with the Bucs trading back and still landing Freeman. In 2010, only Sam Bradford and Tim Tebow were the only quarterbacks who were first round draft choices. And the Rams took Bradford with the every first pick of the draft while Tebow fell to Denver.

Which leads me to the 2011 draft. Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder were the only Quarterbacks taken in the first round. Of course, Newton was the very first draft choice taken. Locker, Gabbert, and Ponder all fell to the team's that drafted them with Gabbert landing to 10th which was the Redskins original draft slot in the first round before trading back in a deal with Jacksonville.

And onto the 2012 draft. With Landry Jones and Matt Barkley deciding to stay in school for their senior campaigns, only Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III will be drafted high in the first round. Tannehill, Weedon, and Foles could go in the first round, but that's doubtful. This is the only draft in recent years where a team will potentially trade up to select a quarterback in the draft.

[Ruhskins]

I thought the Broncos traded back into the first round with the Pats to get Tebow, b/c they thought the Bills or some other team was going to get him at the top of the 2nd round.

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[EARTHQUAKE2689]

And the Jets traded up for Sanchez. He didn't fall.