The "Inside Word" on the QB Search

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by irish

Anyone but RGIII. When I look at the QBs currently in the playoffs I dont see anyone playing RGIIIs style. Its exciting to watch in college but doesnt win in the pros. Get a pro style QB for the pro game.

One of the comparisons for RGIII that is most suited to him is Drew Brees. Same stature, similar arm strength and pocket presence. Don't fall into the lazy comparisons of Mike Vick and a smaller Cam Newton based on his athleticism and other 'obvious' comparables. In the pros he will be more of a Brees/Rodgers type meaning using his legs to extend plays vs. a tuck and run QB.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

One of the comparisons for RGIII that is most suited to him is Drew Brees. Same stature, similar arm strength and pocket presence. Don't fall into the lazy comparisons of Mike Vick and a smaller Cam Newton based on his athleticism and other 'obvious' comparables. In the pros he will be more of a Brees/Rodgers type meaning using his legs to extend plays vs. a tuck and run QB.

I see the point, and that comparison works for me. But IF RG3 gets here, I think its not out of the realm of possiblilty for him to put up more rushing yards than Newton did this year. One main reason. You give Mike Shanahan a mobile accurate guy like RG3, and you better be ready for our TE's to put up some career numbers, just due to him finally having a guy to run the bootleg and rollouts he loves so much. You couldn't see RG3 rolling out time after time, and pulling that pigskin down and using his world class speed to outrun an OLB or, say, and this is funny, but say a Reed Doughty type from another team that is slotted to spy him? My god, just with his natural talent this guy will be able to change games for us, and thats not including the head on his shoulders and his intangibles. The more I talk about him and watch film on him, the more I am falling in love with him.

Bottom Line - With an RG3, the possibilities are endless, and the ceiling is too high for us to see. I know I sound like a frikkin homer, but I really want a QB in DC. And I finally want us to go all in on a good prospect, and just go for it.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

One of the comparisons for RGIII that is most suited to him is Drew Brees. Same stature, similar arm strength and pocket presence. Don't fall into the lazy comparisons of Mike Vick and a smaller Cam Newton based on his athleticism and other 'obvious' comparables. In the pros he will be more of a Brees/Rodgers type meaning using his legs to extend plays vs. a tuck and run QB.

I don't see Drew Brees' style when I watch RGIII play but, to me, Russell Wilson is practically a clone of Brees' playing style.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by irish

Anyone but RGIII. When I look at the QBs currently in the playoffs I dont see anyone playing RGIIIs style. Its exciting to watch in college but doesnt win in the pros. Get a pro style QB for the pro game.

I disagree with that statement slightly. You dont need a QB like Vick, but the QB needs to be able move around. Rogers, Drew Brees, Rothlisberger, Dalton. Most of the QB's have the ability to extend the play and make throws on the run. What RGIII brings is that ability plus the ability to beat you with his legs. Look at Cam Newton. He has been exceptional this season. If you can get a guy that can make all the throws in the pocket as well as out of the pocket plus run like he can, I dont see how you can pass that up. Plus the kid is extremely football smart.

Cam Newton is going to make the Panthers a playoff team year in and year out. They lost so many games because the D couldn't sustain the early game intensity and gave up 4th quarter leads. When they get healthy on D and add some pieces, they will be dangerous.

[irish]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I disagree with that statement slightly. You dont need a QB like Vick, but the QB needs to be able move around. Rogers, Drew Brees, Rothlisberger, Dalton. Most of the QB's have the ability to extend the play and make throws on the run. What RGIII brings is that ability plus the ability to beat you with his legs. Look at Cam Newton. He has been exceptional this season. If you can get a guy that can make all the throws in the pocket as well as out of the pocket plus run like he can, I dont see how you can pass that up. Plus the kid is extremely football smart.

Cam Newton is going to make the Panthers a playoff team year in and year out. They lost so many games because the D couldn't sustain the early game intensity and gave up 4th quarter leads. When they get healthy on D and add some pieces, they will be dangerous.

You dont need a QB that can beat you with his legs, you need a QB who can beat you with accurate passes. A QB does need to be able to move around but that movement is only 2 or 3 steps in any direction. BR cant run a lick but he can move a couple of steps to get away from the heat plus he's a mountain of a man which makes him tough to bring down. Cam's biggest assett is his size and RGIII doesnt have that. Cam played 1 good season but time will tell if he's a Big Ben or a big version of Vick. Until a run style QB wins something in the pros I'll stick with a pocket passer any day.

[Bushead]

Originally Posted by irish

You dont need a QB that can beat you with his legs, you need a QB who can beat you with accurate passes. A QB does need to be able to move around but that movement is only 2 or 3 steps in any direction. BR cant run a lick but he can move a couple of steps to get away from the heat plus he's a mountain of a man which makes him tough to bring down. Cam's biggest assett is his size and RGIII doesnt have that. Cam played 1 good season but time will tell if he's a Big Ben or a big version of Vick. Until a run style QB wins something in the pros I'll stick with a pocket passer any day.

I can kind of see where you are coming from. Watching the Qbs play yesterday, the biggest thing I noticed is moving around in the pocket and extending plays that way. It's funny that when Rex has plenty of time to throw an no one gets open, he has absolutely no idea what to do and that's where most of his bad plays came from.

But, RGIII isn't just a pure runner. He's got plenty of other strong QB skills, so it won't be just a tuck and run situation. He's going to be able to extend plays in similar ways to pass the ball down the field.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Bushead

I can kind of see where you are coming from. Watching the Qbs play yesterday, the biggest thing I noticed is moving around in the pocket and extending plays that way. It's funny that when Rex has plenty of time to throw an no one gets open, he has absolutely no idea what to do and that's where most of his bad plays came from.

But, RGIII isn't just a pure runner. He's got plenty of other strong QB skills, so it won't be just a tuck and run situation. He's going to be able to extend plays in similar ways to pass the ball down the field.

What I'm saying is when you look at the playoff QBs they are pocket passers who can move a bit to avoid the rush. RGIII is a mover who is a semi-accurate passer and that doesnt work in the NFL.

[CultBrennan59]

Cam had an amazing season. I'd love him to be my QB, its like he doesn't get injured with all the hits he takes. Griffin on the other hand has been injured a lot in college.

The likelyhood of getting back to back cam newton-esque seasons from QB's is very unlikely if you ask me.

[irish]

Decent is an understatement he did have a great rookie campaign but its 1 season. I'm not ready to annoint him the next Peyton Manning yet.

[SmootSmack]

Remind me to add "confusing 'digress' and 'regress'" to what grinds my gears thread

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Remind me to add "confusing 'digress' and 'regress'" to what grinds my gears thread

I'll do that.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Remind me to add "confusing 'digress' and 'regress'" to what grinds my gears thread

Lol, English be hard.

As for Sam Bradford's 'digression', he was besieged by injuries, was in an offense ill suited to his strengths and has no weapons until Brandon Lloyd came about via trade.

Casserly had an interesting scenario for Manning.. Manning to the Cards, Kolb gets cut. How would that affect the QB field this offseason and where does he slot in general (not Redskin specific)? I think he goes to the top of the list above Flynn and Hoyer, slightly ahead of Orton in terms of veteran QB.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Lol, English be hard.

As for Sam Bradford's 'digression', he was besieged by injuries, was in an offense ill suited to his strengths and has no weapons until Brandon Lloyd came about via trade.

Casserly had an interesting scenario for Manning.. Manning to the Cards, Kolb gets cut. How would that affect the QB field this offseason and where does he slot in general (not Redskin specific)? I think he goes to the top of the list above Flynn and Hoyer, slightly ahead of Orton in terms of veteran QB.

IDK, I really didn't think too much of Kolb and his bad year with the Cards didnt help him. I think he's just going to be a glorified backup maybe another Grossman or close to it. I'd pass on him and take either Flynn or the backup for N.E. then go for a QB in the draft for development and future.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

IDK, I really didn't think too much of Kolb and his bad year with the Cards didnt help him. I think he's just going to be a glorified backup maybe another Grossman or close to it. I'd pass on him and take either Flynn or the backup for N.E. then go for a QB in the draft for development and future.

There's a reason I said in general, not Redskins specific.. I personally don't care for him, thought he sucked in Philly but his availability on the market may impact decisions that other teams make and affect us also.

[skinsfaninok]

Again Sam had a hs team for his offense